Only lower classes of MALES or FEMALES can be cajoled to speak in GIBBERISH which was Paul's warning of the MAD WOMEN OF CORINTH.
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All Males but the Reader is to be Silent along with all females. Women of the lower class served the "priests" or leaders to arouse the males so they would wound engage in the ANTI-CHRISTIAN Tithes and offerings. The Oracles were always females who went into a fit induced by wine or music. She pretended that SHE could hear the voice of the "gods". Therefore, to enable READING and DISCUSSING that which hd been taught and left for our memory, the FALSE SPEAKERS must be silenced because the assembly is only A School of Christ. In all of the female silence passage there were very rare women who claimed the role of mediator in song or sermon.
1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, [KEPT SAFE]
and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [Word, Logos, Regulative Principle preaching outlawed]
1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD
and one mediator between God and men,
the MAN Christ Jesus;
Galatians 5
I.Wish.They.Would.Go.the.Whole.Way.and.Emasculate.Themselves
Lucretius (98 - c. 55 BC): The Worship of Cybele
- Wherefore great Mother of gods, and Mother of beasts,
- And parent of man hath she alone been named.
- Her hymned the old and learned bards of Greece....
- Do name Idaean , giving her
Escort of Phrygian bands, since first, they say,
- From out those regions 'twas that grain began
- Through all the world. To her do they assign
- The Galli, the EMASCULATE, since thus
- They wish to show that men who violate
- The majesty of the Mother and have proved
- Ingrate to parents are to be adjudged
- Unfit to give unto the shores of light
A living progeny. The Galli come:
And hollow cymbals, tight-skinned tambourines
Resound around to bangings of their hands;
The fierce horns threaten with a raucous bray;
The tubed pipe excites their maddened minds
- In Phrygian measures; they bear before them knives,
- Wild emblems of their frenzy, which have power
- The rabble's ingrate heads and impious hearts
- To panic with terror of the goddess' might.
The Triple Goddess of Babylon unleashed in Revelation 17 using "lusted after fruits" as clergy: speakers, singers, instrument players, brides (Hieros Gamus or Sacred Prostitutes marked as SELLING any body part.
The Triple Deity is common throughout world mythology with many mythical associations. As the goddess associated with the number three she is regarded as the threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune, triadic, or as a trinity. The Triple Goddess in mythological art and religious iconography is always represented as a group, as a triad, or perhaps a single deity with three aspects. It was pointed out that the ancient pagan world often believed in a triumverate of three divine women called sometimes the Fates, sometimes the Graces, with the original single earth goddess honoured in three roles of maiden, mother, and crone (Harrison, 1903)
That this history of the rib was well known to the Babylonians, is manifest from one of the names given to their primeval goddess, as found in Berosus (lib. i. p. 50).
Their attributes differ according to the divinities upon whom they attend; as the companions of Apollon they often carry musical instruments, and as the companions of Aphrodite they carry myrtles, roses, or dice, the favourite game of youth.
Speaking in tongues was 70 minor dialects. Here are the ones who will be baptized with WIND and FIRE to be burned up.
BAPTISM OF HOLY "WIND" ONLY FOR THE VIPER GENERATION AND THE APOSTLES WHO WOULD POUR OUT JUDGMENT UPON THE KENITES OR ARABS WHO CONTROLLED JERUSALEM.
John knew that as forerunner baptism would be the MARK that Messiah had come into the world. When Jesus as the GREATER insisted on being baptized by the LESSER it was to "fulfill all righteousness." That means to FULLY PREACH BAPTISM for the remission of sins.And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. John 1:31
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. John 1:32This was a SIGN of the arrival of Messiah: it is not a legalistic patternism which is promised for everyone. I believe that there was a remnant of 110 locals who constituted an OFFERING to God. Probably most of the pilgrims were true Jews who had dispersed from Jerusalem rather than submit to having their young men "wear the hat of Hermes" meaning to serve as performers and prostitutes IN the holy places as the abomination of desolation..
John baptized with water and everyone AFTER Pentecost baptized in WATER. Therefore the "baptism of the Holy Spirit" was a SIGN which only Jesus as God in the flesh could administer. PNEUMA never speaks of a PERSON other than personified as mental disposition OF a person and that DISPOSITION being DISPOSED.
And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy [WIND] Ghost. John 1:33
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. John 1:34
Matt 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
MOST rejected the consel of God by REFUSING to be baptized. The CLAIMED predestination for their salvation but that would not prevent a million unbaptized "Jews" which were mostly NOT Israelites but Ishmaelites or ARABS.
Matt 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
The overwhelming with WIND and FIRE comes after the ROOT and TREES have been cut down: why would you want that?
Matt 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: BUT he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, [WIND] and with fire:
Humans continued to baptize in WATER after Pentecost: only Jesus Christ could separate the wheat from the chaff and BURN up the chaff and put the WHEAT into the church or synagogue.
How does Jesus baptize with with SPIRIT and FIRE? He uses a "fan" for blowing WIND or SPIRIT and then you BURN UP the chaff.
Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor,
and gather [synagogue] his wheat into the garner;
but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Chaff is that which the WIND (not a person) blows away
Is.4:4 When the Lord
1. shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion,
2. and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof
by the SPIRIT [WIND] of judgment, and by the SPIRIT [WIND] of burning.What happened in the upper room was a SIGN or proof: Pentecost began the THRESHING of the Divine Wind and a million people who trusted predestination were PURGED by WIND and FIRE. The miracles were to the FOUR GROUPS and all were judgmental signs AGAINST those who refused to be baptized WITH WATER.
Phil, I forgot to show that Jesus identified THAT GENERATION as pipers, singers and dancers and consigned them to the marketplace where all polluted religionism took place. And Peter who understood that the small band of SECTARIANS who controlled religion and were not Israelites but Ishmaelites would all be sifted by the WIND and burned up with a SPIRIT [WIND] OF FIRE.
Musical Captivity is PROOF that people are NOT secured FROM the crooked generation where the word DEMAGOGUE means "to appease the masses with performing arts."
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this CROOKED generation.Crooked or untoward defines MOST modern religionism which is not kissing kin to the EKKLESIA as school of the Bible--ONLY
G4646 skolios skol-ee-os' From the base of G4628 ; warped, that is, winding; figuratively perverse: crooked, froward, untoward.
Skolios 1 curved, winding, twisted, tangled, Lat. obliquus, Hdt., Eur., etc.:-- bent sideways, douleiê kephalê skoliê (Hor. stat capite obstipo) Theogn.: metaph. crooked, i. e. unjust, unrighteous , Il., Hes., etc.; skolia prattein, eipein Plat.:--so adv. skoliôs, Hes.
Prattein, Prassô II. experience certain fortunes, achieved bondage, i.e. brought it on himself, grant power of song, get something, plot, 3. of sexual intercourse, b. esp. of secret practices and intrigues
Speaking in tongues is common in all cultures and most religions. Gibberish was consider madness or mantic inspiration where going insane under the influence of drugs or music was believed to be caused by the "gods" or indwelling demons.[6] Entering the chamber a magician piles dry wood upon the altar; he first places a tiara upon his head and then sings to some god or other an invocation in a foreign tongue unintelligible to Greeks, reciting the invocation from a book. So it is without fire that the wood must catch, and bright flames dart from it
The historical background helps explain why God used it as a sign of His presence in the apostles who then delivered His Word empowered with His own Spirit.The word CHARISMATIC while worshiping Chara-the Grace-only goddess, is most often attached to perverted sexuality Charismatic ecstasy is speaking as "prophets." The only background for "threskia" form of ceremonial worship was founded by Orpheus one of the "fathers" of music and what Paul identified as MADNESS or speaking in tongues in 1 Cor 14. Chara or GRACE was a goddess. Charismatic connected directly to attempting to bind spirit and flesh together in the "harmony" principle of Apollyon or Apollo: "moving together" involved only two persons and was acted out in homosexuality: usually in pederasty (sodomy) which was common in ALL priesthoods or brotherhoods of religious performers.
The same is true of the word CHARISMATIC in the Greek world: Charismatic was trying to engage in, according to the Vineyard lady, a climactic experience with God. Of course, you used perverted sexuality to KNOW the gods personally. Most often with the Agents of the gods.
The Vulgate makes the TWO-FOLD function of the assembly (synagogue) clear: we are to worship IN SPIRIT and we are to speak OUTWARDLY in TRUTH or UNDERSTANDING:
1 Cor [14] For if I pray in another language, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
That is, if I pray in my favorite minor dialect my spirit prays. That is proper when we worship in the new PLACE of the human spirit. However, my on personal understanding is unfruitful in that those in Corinth who spoke Koine Greek did not profit from it. Therefore, the praying in spirit in ANOTHER LANGUAGE would be translated or interpreted in the language of the assembly:
[15] What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also. I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
If you speak in tongues meaning "a minor dialect" those who do not know your home dialect will not profit from your outward prayer or song:
[16] Otherwise if you bless with the spirit, how will he who fills the place of the unlearned say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, seeing he doesn't know what you say? [17]
Herodotus, The Historie CXXXV. But at this time there happened, as the Thebans say, a thing at which I marvel greatly. It would seem that this man Mys of Europus came in his wanderings among the places of divination to the precinct of Ptoan Apollon. This temple is called Ptoum, and belongs to the Thebans. It lies by a hill, above lake Copais, very near to the town Acraephia.
[2] When the man called Mys entered into this temple together with three men of the town who were chosen on the state's behalf to write down the oracles that should be given, straightway the diviner prophesied in a foreign tongue.
[3] The Thebans who followed him were astonished to hear a strange language instead of Greek and knew not what this present matter might be. Mys of Europus, however, snatched from them the tablet which they carried and wrote on it that which was spoken by the prophet, saying that the words of the oracle were Carian. After writing everything down, he went back to Thessaly. (4.36)
Kariêi min glôssêi chran: sc. ton prophêtên = ton promantin. Unless Mys was a Karian the selection of the Karian language would have been rather pointless. The story may be substantially true; it would not have been difficult to arrange that the prophet should babble a few words of Karian to the man of Euromos, or Europos. One need not [p. 572] summon up the 'subliminal consciousness' to explain this miracle.
The Meaning of Speaking in TonguesSpeaking in tongues has two backgrounds in Paganism. First, the ecstatic speech or gibberish of a female oracle who intoxicated on noxious gasses, chewing laurel leaves, wine or music was the insane raving of one gone insane. The "gods" were believed to reveal themselves to the "uncovered prophesiers" of 1 Cor. 11:5. The priest composed a song and the interpreter said whatever he needed to say to get paid.Second, the Barbarian tongues in Corinth were real minor languages so ancient that they were held, like Latin, to be the only way to speak to the gods with angelic voices.
Languages, Dialects and Tongues of the Barbarian: Must Read
Do you believe in speaking in tongues?Middle East Background to Speaking in tongues
Wen Amun's Report connecting musical worship and speaking in tongues
Islamic EcstasyClassical Background to Speaking in tongues
The Bacchantes By Euripides - Dionysus Wineskin God
Cratylus by Plato with Socrates and Hermogenes
Plato Phaedrus Charismatic ecstasy or speaking in tongues
1 Corinthians 14:23: Speaking in Tongues - Plato and Madness
Corinth's Musical Worship and Speaking in Tongues - Pagan BackgroundailChurch Fathers Connect Musical Worship and Speaking in tongues
Arnobius and the Music, Frenzy and Idolatry ConnectionJohn Chrysostom Performance Worship like speaking in tongues
Lucian of Samosata: Alexander the Oracle Monger
Denominational and Other Scholars
David Hume - Superstition - Enthusiasm
John Wesley - Charismatic ReligionWhat or Who is the Holy Spirit
Holy Spirit - John 14:16 - Another Comforter Not Speaking in Tongues
What and To Whom was the Prophecy Speaking in tongues
The Examples of True Speaking in Tongues
Only Men were speaking in Tongues (Once Each) in Apostle's Presence
Signs and Wonders - Apostles and Prophets and Speaking in Tongue
Cornelius and speaking in tongues
Baptism of the Holy Spirit - Speaking in Tongues - Objections to Your ViewsCorinth Speaking in tongues- Doing More Harm Than Good (11:17f)
Languages, Dialects and Tongues of the Barbarian: Must Read
Speaking in Tongues A Warning - Isa 28: - Isaiah 28: - 1 Corinthians 14
Why Women speaking in tongues Were Silenced in Corinth Speaking in tongues to god & air?
1 Corinthians 14, First Corinthians 14, Speaking in Tongues or GlossolalaliaWitchcraft
Women in Worship Produces Speaking in Tongues
Post Modern - Post Denominational Views
Review: Rubel Shelly - Faith Matters - Prophesying Women in the church of Christ
Review: Rubel Shelly - Faith Matters - Women Worship Teams
Review: Rubel Shelly - A Woman's Place - Church of Christ Assembly First Corinthians 14: Women Silent in CorinthPsychological Control
Post Modern and Promise Keeper's Index
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