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9.29.23 Holy Spirit means "God put His Words into the MOUTH of Jesus Christ for the last time.  That Spirit concerning Christ is defined inclusively and exclusively in the Prophets.

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PROOF THAT MAX REJECTS THE SCRIPTURAL AND HISTORIC TEACHINGS.

The absolute command is to READ or SPEAK the LETTERS or anything "Written for our LEARNING."

Isaiah/Isaiah.58.html not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

As God-Sent Prophets, Apostles and SCRIBES recorded each Apostle's taught PART, there might be only ONE person with a Supernatural Power BESTOWED BY THE HANDS OF AN APOSTLE in each congregation.  However, Paul affirmed that if they needed any other information I WILL WRITE YOU A LETTER or COME to you.

The New Covenant is the Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ: the Testator has died and the Apostles probated and DELIVERED the WILL but only to a small band of HEIRS.  Anyone who would preach or sing anything beyond that which is written would REWRITE your mother's Last Will to DEPRIVE you of your Christ-bought Inheritance.
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CLICK: ANATHEMA INCLUDES MUSIC, SPEAKING IN TONGUES OR "WOMEN"  TO ENHANCE RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS

CLICK: THE NEW HERMENEUTICS CONFESSES TO HAVING DEMONS AS MEDIATORS-INTERCESSORS

CLICK: EMAIL QUESTION "WAS EVE, WHO WAS WHOLLY SEDUCED, SO THAT CAIN WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE TRUE?"

CLICK: BEFORE, YOU GET TRAPPED IN A CULT OF MEN CLAIMING WHAT GOD HAS DONE,

CLICK: JESUS SAID THAT "DEVIL DO" RHETORIC, MUSIC, SCENIC, SELLING
CLICK: ANY "MUSICAL" WORSHIP IS OF APOLLYON AND IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
 
CLICK BELOW NEW TO PROVE THAT "SPIRIT" IS NEITHER GOD NOR A PERSON. 

CLICK: TONGUES OF OR BAPTIZED WITH FIRE ALWAYS A WARNING MAYBE TO THE SPEAKER.

CLICK: ONLY THE APOSTLES COULD SPEAK ALL LANGUAGES UNTIL THE TESTAMENT WAS PROBATED.

CLICK BELOW: FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE TONGUES DILLUSION: Max Lucado, Rubel Shelly. DON FINTO
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Every theologian (mythologists) and preacher I am aware of from all once Bible Colleges have cashed in on the New Hermeneutic. They don't need to consult the ancient text to know Hermeneutic means translation or means that a Demon-Daimon is their tongue and pen mover. SPIRIT is clearly defined as a parable or figurative: The form is always God put His WORD into the MOUTH of Moses, Elijah (the prophets) and for the last time the MAN Jesus of Nazareth.

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Part One: The Thief on the Cross Saved without Baptism! No: Christ had not yet preached to the pre- Cross faithful nor ascended into heaven.
Part Two: Baptism is just a pledge that you have been saved? No: Baptism is our REQUEST TO God; not OUR guaranteeing OUR faith!
Part Three: Salvation by Trust Only or Prayer Only? 12/5/02 See how the GA, Shelly, Lucado Trithism as A Family of Gods leads naturally to despising the counsel of the human Jesus and how Baptists Baptism denies that Christ came FULLY in the flesh.
Part Four: Romans 6: Baptism DOES NOT

ANATHEMA INCLUDES MUSIC, SPEAKING IN TONGUES OR "WOMEN"  TO ENHANCE RELIGIOUS OBSERVATIONS

GOD NOR JESUS NEEDS LITTLE HELPERS: IF YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THE WORKS OR YOUR HANDS OR RHETORIC OR MUSIC CLAIMING TO ASSIST THE PATTERN, YOU ARE A REPROBATE, CANNOT BE REDEEMED AND MUST BE BURNED..

Anathema and Max Lucado? Explain
Anathema is anything so sacrificed or devoted to the Lord and could not be redeemed (Num. 18:14; Lev. 27:28, 29); and hence the idea of exterminating was connected with the word. The Hebrew verb (haram) is frequently used of the extermination of idolatrous nations.

-Anathêma , /, (anatithēmi) A. that which is set up: hence, like agalma, votive offering set up in a temple, Hdt.1.14,92, S.Ant.286, “a. ek leitourgiōn” Lys.26.4.  agalma, delight, ornament, “molpē t' orkhēstusanathēmata daitos” Od.1.152, cf. 21.430, tois tekousin anathēma biotou, of children,

Leitourg-ia  III. public service of the gods, “hai pros tous theous l.” Arist.Pol.1330a13; “hai tōn theōn therapeiai kai l.” D.S.1.21, cf. UPZ17.17 (ii B.C.), PTeb.302.30 (i A.D.), etc.; the service or ministry of priests, LXX Nu.8.25, Ev.Luc.1.23.
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If you HEAR something TELL Some one who is cultified
Hebrews 12 Our God Is a Consuming Fire

Note that "prophesying" is defined as speaking Holy Scripture by inspiration.
Many believed that speaking their own language was proper.
Paul commanded that the inspired message had no value unless the "Prophet" translated into the language of his audience or have another inspired translate.

1Cor. 14:21 In the law it is written,
        With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people;
        and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
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Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach KNOWLEDGE?
        and whom shall he make to understand DOCTRINE?
        them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Sav Lasav--Sav Lasav
Kav Lakav--Kav Lakav
Ze'er sham
Ze'er sham

In a meeting with Max Lucaco, Rusty, Don Finto's Friend says something recorded as: Kalla ma sone, da fa kooka shores. It kin da la key la shone da la kene

(his voice becomes hoarse and is reduced to an indistinguishable whisper).

Bear fose sone ta wentta lone

(voice trails off into a whisper again). Da lotta tongue de cush---wong do so coo toe. Ah shon da ba she dees ... O. Lord, your good ... Gash a la mon sewer. El ah ma she sa (more whispering). Fa kon a la ma dorman begetta see de so lawsuit...See the whole thing.

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Loquetur
“quas tu mulieres quos tu parasitos loquere,

Lashown (h3956) law-shone'; from 3960 (to slander); the tongue (of man or anmals), used lit. (as the instrument of licking, eating, of speech), and fig. (speech, an ingot, a fork of flame, a cove or water): - / babbler, bay, / evil speaker, language, talker, tongue, wedge

The serpent in the garden of Eden is not a snake: the the whole reigon he was known a a Musical Enchanter as one who can charm a serpent and assuredly wholly seduce Eve.

Nachash (h5173) nakh'-ash; from 5172; an incantation or augury: - enchantment.
Nachash (h5172) naw-khash'; a prim. root; prop. to hiss, i. e. whisper a (magic) spell; gen. to prognosticate: - * certainly, divine, enchanter, (use) * enchantment, learn by experience, * indeed, diligently observe.
5175. נָחָשׁ nachash, naw-khawsh´; from 5172; a snake (from its hiss):—serpent.

Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

1Cor. 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues,
        but rather that ye prophesied:
        for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues,
To prophesy is simply to speak prophecy. Prophecy is the noun, and prophesy is the verb. Prophecy at its most basic definition is “a message from God.” So, to prophesy is to proclaim a message from God. The one who does this is, therefore, a prophet---. Only in exceptional instances were the prophets ever moved to say things they had not previously come to understand from instruction given them.
THE NEW HERMENEUTICS CONFESSES TO HAVING DEMONS AS MEDIATORS-INTERCESSORS

1Cor. 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue
        pray that he may interpret.
1Cor. 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue,
        let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course;
        and let one interpret.
Theologians have replaced  the Bible in all of the Church of Christ universities I am aware of.  I remember when the stuff hit the fan in Seattle in the '60s.  They claim that Father, Son, Apostles and all of Scripture had expired and no one without a degree could understand what God WOULD have said if he had understood our culture. God could not have known anything about our culture. It seems that the delusions have settled on the whole country.

The spark plug was a German as the thought leader in us colleges and preacher.  Google alerted that the following link was being swarmed:

http://www.pineycom.com/Thomas.Olbricht.Hearing.Gods.Voice.html
Olbricht was not a disciple of Christ or he would understand that, as in Jude and the music-replacing the once delivered word: the Law of liberty from Hermes characters.

God's SPIRIT means that God put His WORD into the MOUTH (face-to-face, mouth-to-mouth) to Moses, Elijah (the prophets) and in these Last Days, the MAN Jesus of Nazareth.  This is the New Covenant or the Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ. God provided Apostles and SCRIBES to leave us OUR copy. The will is to the HEIRS and the only MINISTER is to READ that was written for OUR Learning.  God provided no money for anyone who does to DELIVER the Once For All Faith.

Is. 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord;
        My SPIRIT that is upon thee,
        and my WORDS which I have put in thy MOUTH,
        shall not depart out of thy MOUTH,
        nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed,
        nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed’s seed,
        saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever

This will is to individual HEIRS and liberates them from Scribes, Pharisees Hypocrites. These are defined in the PROPHECY which defined the future REST of Jesus as Ekklesia-Synagogue from anything the new confessed (unconsciously) that they hear only DEVILS or DEMONS.
Plat. Sym. 202e “‘Well what?’
“‘As I previously suggested, between a mortal and an immortal.’
“‘And what is that, Diotima?’
“‘A great spirit, Socrates: for the whole of the spiritual1 is BETWEEN DIVINE AND MORTAL.’
       “‘Possessing what power?’ I asked.
        “‘Interpreting and transporting
        human things to the gods and divine things to men;
        entreaties and sacrifices from below,
        and ordinances and requitals from above:
        being midway between, it makes each to supplement the other,
        so that the whole is combined in one.
        Through it are conveyed all divination
        and priestcraft concerning sacrifice and ritual

1 Daimones and to daimonion represent the mysterious agencies and influences by which the gods communicate with mortals.

202e Notes:
Hermēneuon ktl. For the term hermēneuein to describe the mediating office of daimones, cp. Epin. 985 B hermēneuesthai (daimonas) pros allēlous te kai tous...theous pantas te kai panta. Hommel bids us take hermēneuon with anthr. ta para theōn (as “eiusdem atque Hermēs radicis”) and diaporthmeuon with theois ta par' anthrōpōn (the office of the porthmeus, Charon, being “animas e terra ad sedes deorum transvehere”).

THE WORD IN SCRIPTURE INCLUDES ONLY TRANSLATING.. v. diaporthmeuō, “to translate from one tongue into another, to interpret”).
diaporthm-euō , A.carry over or across a river or strait, Hdt.4.141, Acus.29J., etc.; carry a message from one to another, Hdt.9.4:— Pass., to be ferried across, BGU1188.10 (i B.C.).

Plat. Epin. 984e  next below these, the divine spirits,1 and air-born race, holding the third and middle situation, cause of interpretation, which we must surely honor with prayers for the sake of an auspicious journey across.2 We must say of either of these two creatures—that which is of ether and, next to it, of air—that it is not entirely plain to sight: when it is near by, it is not made manifest to us;

1 The daemons or divine spirits had their existence and activity “betwixt mortal and immortal,”and they served as interpreters and conveyors of men's prayers and offerings to the gods, and of the god's behests and requitals to men（Plato, Sympos. 202 D）. Good mortals might become daemons after death（Eurip.Alc. 1003; Plato, Cratyl. 398 B; Lucian, De morte Peregr. 36）, and such as they were charged with the guidance and care of mankind（Plato, Laws 713 D; Plutarch, De genio Socr. 588 C）.

2 The“journey across”seems to refer to one part of the“conveying”that daemons performed—conducting the souls of deceased human beings from earth to the abode of the gods.

Plat. Epin. 985a] but partaking of extraordinary intelligence, as belonging to an order which is quick to learn and strong in memory, we may say that they understand the whole of our thoughts, and show extraordinary kindness to anyone of us who is a good man and true, and hate him who is utterly evil, as one who already partakes of suffering. For we know that God, who has the privilege of the divine portion, is remote from these affections of pain and pleasure, but has a share of intelligence and knowledge in every sphere; and the heaven being filled full of live creatures,

Plat. Epin. 985b. 
  [985b] they interpret all men and all things both to one another and to the most exalted gods, because the middle creatures move both to earth and to the whole of heaven with a lightly rushing motion. The kind which is of water,1 the fifth, we shall be right in representing as a semi-divine product of that element, and it is at one time seen, but at another is concealed through becoming obscure, presenting a marvel in the dimness of vision. So these
1 The nymphs.

--Hermeneutics

The same as EXEGESIS, a term technically used of the interpretation of a text from the study of critical materials such as manuscripts, editions, and quotations. The word is from the Greek hermêneuô, "to interpret." See Textual Criticism.

--hermaêneuô [hermêneus]

A. interpret foreign tongues, X.An.5.4.4; translate, D.H.Th.49, etc.;
II. explain, expound, S.OC398, E.Fr.636.5, etc.; “humin tauta” Antipho 3.2.1; “ho ti legei” Philyll.11; “ta tōn poiētōn” Pl.Ion535a:—Med., Id.Epin.985b:—
2. put into words, express, Th.2.60, Pl. Lg.966b

Hermês Hermes, the Lat. Mercurius, son of Maia and Zeus; messenger of the gods (diaktoros); giver of good luck (eriounios, akakêta ); god of all secret dealings, cunning, and stratagem (dolios); bearing a golden rod (chrusorrapis ); conductor of defunct spirits (psuchopompos, pompaios ); tutelary god of all arts, of traffic, markets, roads (agoraios, empolaios, hodios, enodios ), and of heralds. His bust, mounted on a four-cornered pillar, was used to mark boundaries. --Proverb., koinos Hermês shares in your luck! Theophr.: cf. hermaion.

Again, as Hermes was the sacrificial herald of the gods, it was an important part of the duty of heralds to assist at sacrifices. It was on this account that the priestly race of the Kērukes claimed him as the head of their family

stratagem (dolios )

dolios adj1 ad crafty, deceitful, treacherous, Od., Trag.

psuchopompos 1 conductor of souls, of Charon, Eur.
E.Alc.361; of Hermes, D.S.1.96, Plu.2.758b.

II. as Adj., “ps. dunameis” Porph.Antr.8.

As he was the guide of the living on their way, so he was also the conductor of the souls of the dead in the nether-world (psukhopompos), and was as much loved by the gods of those regions as by those above. n, 
 
I need to work on this paper to make the new hermenetic=demonism a bit clearer. IN Corinth---

Cor. 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

The tongues in Corinth were not gibberish but minor dialects.

Interpret is: 1328. διερμηνευτής diermeneutes, dee-er-main-yoo-tace´; from 1329; an explainer: — interpreter.

g1329. διερμηνεύω diermeneuo, dee-er-main-yoo´-o; from 1223 and 2059; to explain thoroughly, by implication, to translate: — expound, interpret(-ation).

g2059. ἑρμηνεύω hermeneuo, her-mayn-yoo´-o; from a presumed derivative of 2060 (as the god of language); to translate: — interpret.

g2060. Ἑρμῆς Hermes, her-mace´; perhaps from 2046; Hermes, the name of the messenger of the Greek deities; also of a Christian: — Hermes, Mercury.

g2046. ἐρέω ereo, er-eh´-o; probably a fuller form of 4483; an alternate for 2036 in certain tenses; to utter, i.e. speak or say: — call, say, speak (of), tell.

2036. ἔπω epo, ep´-o; a primary verb (used only in the definite past tense, the others being borrowed from 2046, 4483, and 5346); to speak or say (by word or writing): — answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell. Compare 3004.

2036. ἔπω epo, ep´-o; a primary verb (used only in the definite past tense, the others being borrowed from 2046, 4483, and 5346); to speak or say (by word or writing): — answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell. Compare 3004.

5346. φημί phemi, fay-mee´; properly, the same as the base of 5457 and 5316; to show or make known one’s thoughts, i.e. speak or say: — affirm, say. Compare 3004.
Every theologian or preacher able to gain popularity claims that Jesus was a plagiarist when He defined Holy Scripture as the Prophets and other prophecies "concerning me.""

2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
        is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION
1955. ἐπίλυσις epilusis, ep-il´-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: — interpretation.
1956. ἐπιλύω epiluo, ep-ee-loo´-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (figuratively) to explain, decide: — determine, expound.
Holy Scripture denies these people any FUNDING and yet they claim to be Christians. In fact they BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit

2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Homers Hymn to Hermes

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Putting Hermes back in Hermeneutics: These people think that everything God ever inspired had to be INTERPRETED which means to figure out what the cleat text REALLY meant.  However, not one of the knows that Hermeneutics means that HERMES is the interpreter for the "gods" which means that DEMONS are the interpreter.

The anthropologist Vincent Crapanzano describes Hermes as the “tutelary god of speech and writing,” one who introduces techniques of interpretation to the people. Historically, such interpretive power has been associated with the phallus, with features that oddly resemble the logos spermatikos. A phallic god of fertility, Hermes has been linked to interpretation as a “phallic-aggressive, a cruel and violent, a destruc- tive act” even as it appears a “fertilizing, a fruitful and creative one.” Hermes’s messages can be disruptive, as they “toppled the worlds of many to whom they were delivered”; meanwhile the messenger god can function “as a gadfly who constantly irritates the intellectually complacent by reminding them of the possibility of other ways of articulating and understanding the world and themselves.”5 We see here one articulation of the destructive and generative potential of words. The Greek god’s story is wrapped up with the contested discourses of space and meaning always suspect. Hermes matches many characteristics of a trickster figure, and we will consider here how these charac- teristics recapture hermeneutics as the work and art—the poesis—of the trickster.

The Greek god Hermes relays messages between gods and humans. He is a messenger, a guide of souls, and a trickster figure, associated with merchants and tradespersons who frequent the crossroads he is

diermēn-euō , , 1 Ep.Cor. 14.27; translate, EXPOUND
        2 Maccabees 1: 36 - Nehemiah and his associates called this "nephthar," which means purification, but by most people it is called naphtha.
Max Lucado and all spouting The New Hermeneutic don't have a right to know that:

Hermēneuon ktl. For the term hermēneuein to describe the MEDIATING office of daimones,

1Cor. 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign,
        not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:
        but prophesying serveth
                not for them that believe not,
                but for them which believe.

1Cor. 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place,
        and all speak with tongues,
        and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers,
        will they not say that ye are mad?
 
TONGUES in Corinth were LANGUAGES or Minor Dialects.  Visitors or another inspired person TRANSLATED their own REVELATION. 

1Cor. 14:30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

The babbling or gibberish of those claiming powers was common just up in the hills close to Corinth
where Apollo (Apollon, Apollyon's) female leaders were driven mad by vapors, wine or music at Delphis

The Greeks recognized ONE language and everything else was  a "tongues." Speaking was "that which is written for our LEARNING.  If there is any ordained PROPHETS they can speak their "revelation."

EMAIL QUESTION "WAS EVE, WHO WAS WHOLLY SEDUCED, SO THAT CAIN WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE TRUE?"
Because the idolaters at Mount Sinai had been sentenced to return to Babylonia--where the Semites began as "robbers of Caravans," Moses was comparing Eve to Semiramis who was  Queen. All "trinities" consisted of father, mother (spirit) and little wicked son.

Paul said that "Eve was wholly seduced [by a musical enchanter-serpent] and that Cain (from a musical note) was OF that wicked one.

CLICK: Children.of.The.Wicked.One.html

Theophilus.Autolycus.II.html This Eve, on account of her having been in the beginning deceived by the serpent, and become the author of sin, the wicked demon, who also is called Satan, who then spoke to her through the serpent, and who works even to this day in those men that are possessed by him, invokes as Eve.58 And he is called "demon" and "dragon," on account of his revolting from God. For at first he was an angel. And concerning his history there is a great deal to be said; wherefore I at present omit the relation of it, for I have also given an account of him in another place.
NOTE: Hermeneutics teaches that DEMONS are the Intercessor with God.
58 Referring to the bacchanalian orgies in which " Eva " was shouted, and which the Fathers professed to believe was an unintentional invocation of Eve, the authoress of all sin.

The word "abomination" is also key to understanding the context. In Hebrew, the word "to 'evah," (abomination) is almost invariably linked to idolatry. In the passages from which both verses are taken, God tells Moses to tell the people not to follow the idolatrous practices of the people around them, people who sacrificed their children to Molech, or who masturbated into the fire to offer their semen to Molech, for example. Chapter 20 starts off with the same warning.

"To 'evah" also means "something which is ritually unclean," not something evil in itself, like rape or theft. Eating pork or having sex during menstruation are ritually unclean.

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The first deified woman was no doubt Semiramis, as the first deified man was her husband. But it is evident that it was some time after the Mysteries began that this deification took place; for it was not till after Semiramis was dead that she was exalted to divinity, and worshipped under the form of a dove.

When, however, the Mysteries were originally concocted, the deeds of Eve, who, through her connection with the serpent, brought forth death, must necessarily have occupied a place; for the Mystery of sin and death lies at the very foundation of all religion, and in the age of Semiramis and Nimrod, and Shem and Ham, all men must have been well acquainted with the facts of the Fall. At first the sin of Eve may have been admitted in all its sinfulness (otherwise men generally would have been shocked, especially when the general conscience had been quickened through the zeal of Shem); but when a woman was to be deified, the shape that the mystic story came to assume shows that that sin was softened,
    yea, that it changed its very character, and that by a perversion of the name given to Eve, as "the mother of all living ones," that is, all the regenerate , she was glorified as the authoress of spiritual life, and, under the very name Rhea, was recognised as the mother of the gods. Now, those who had the working of the Mystery of Iniquity did not find it very difficult to show that this name Rhea, originally appropriate to the mother of mankind, was hardly less appropriate for her who was the actual mother of the gods, that is, of all the deified mortals. Rhea, in the active sense, signifies "the Gazing woman," but in the passive it signifies "The woman gazed at," that is, "The beauty," * and thus, under one and the same term, the mother of mankind and the mother of the Pagan gods, that is, Semiramis, were amalgamated; insomuch, that now, as is well known, Rhea is currently recognised as the "Mother of gods and men" (HESIOD, Theogon., v. 453, p. 36). It is not wonderful, therefore, that the name Rhea is found applied to her, who, by the Assyrians, was worshipped in the very
character of Astarte or Venus. 2bab043.ht character of Astarte or Venus. 2bab043.htm 

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"unknown tongues" always means LANGUAGES when used of Paul. Paul compared speaking a minor dielect where Koine Greek was understood was just like "making an instrumental sound." Only mostly females who were intoxicated by vapors or music at Apollo (Apollyon) temple was "babbling like a priestess of Dodna"

Because the idolaters at Mount Sinai had been sentenced to return to Babylonia--where the Semites began as "robbers of Caravans-Moses was comparing Eve to Semiramis who was  Queen

Hdt. 2.57 After this, as soon as she understood the Greek language, she taught divination; and she said that her sister had been sold in Libya by the same Phoenicians who sold her
....expect that these women were called “doves” by the people of Dodona because they spoke a strange language, and the people thought it like the cries of birds;
        [2] then the woman spoke what they could understand,
        and that is why they say that the dove uttered human speech;
        as long as she spoke in a foreign tongue,
        they thought her voice was like the voice of a bird.
For how could a dove utter the speech of men? The tale that the dove was black signifies that the woman was Egyptian1. [3]

The fashions of divination at Thebes of Egypt and at Dodona are like one another; moreover, the practice of divining from the sacrificed victim has also come from Egypt.

1 Perhaps Herodotus' explanation is right. But the name “doves” may be purely symbolic; thus priestesses of Demeter and Artemis were sometimes called Bees.

Plat. Phaedrus 244b and the priestesses at Dodona when they have been mad have conferred many splendid benefits upon Greece both in private and in public affairs, but few or none when they have been in their right minds; and if we should speak of the Sibyl and all the others who by prophetic inspiration have foretold many things to many persons and thereby made them fortunate afterwards, anyone can see that we should speak a long time. And it is worth while to adduce also the fact that those men of old who invented names thought that madness was neither shameful nor disgraceful;

A further peculiarity of Dodona was the "bronze," a large gong set vibrating at every breeze by a scourge held in the hand of a figure standing over it;  the persistent ringing passed into a Greek proverbial phrase--Khalkos Dodones ("Brass of Dodona")-- for a continuous talker who has nothing to say

BEFORE, YOU GET TRAPPED IN A CULT OF MEN CLAIMING WHAT GOD HAS DONE, UNDERSTAND THAT NO WORDS TRANSLATED "SPIRIT" HAS NEVER AND CAN NEVER BE A PERSON OR GOD. There are no THE'S in the text.

Total apostasy has rested on no Theologian is allowed to understand prepositions. The Spirit OF God is God's Spirit or MENTAL DISPOSITION

Matt. 23:34 Wherefore, behold,
        I SEND unto you PROPHETS, and wise men, and SCRIBES:
        and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
        and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues,
        and persecute them from city to city:

OR:

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God,
        I WILL SEND them PROPHETS and APOSTLES,
        and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

SCRIBES, such as Luke, and APOSTLES wrote LETTERS with the absolute pattern to READ THEM and not modify and sell the WORD

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [g3875.  parakletos] which is the Holy Ghost,
       whom the Father will send in my name,
        Jesus now exists in the STATE (never a god or person) will be the NAME of the Comforter.
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,
        whatsoever I have said unto you.

NO claimed for profit  spirit can ever teach anything beyond that which is written for our learning. Holy Scripture was written for the HEIRS and not a "Probate Lawyer"..

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH
        is come, he will guide you into all truth:
        for he shall NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF 
        but whatsoever HE SHALL HEAR, that shall he speak:
        and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me:
        for he shall RECEIVE OF MINE, and shall shew it unto you.
John 16:15 ALL THINGS that the Father hath are mine:
        herefore said I, that he shall TAKE OF MINE
        and shall shew it unto you

WHEN JESUS ENTERED THE STATE OF SPIRIT, HE DID NOT LEAVE ANYONE ILLITERATE ORPHANS. JESUS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT COMFORTER OR INTERCESSOR

1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
       And if any man sin, we have an advocate [g3875.  parakletos]
       with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: 
     the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.
SPIRIT IN HEBREW
SPIRIT IN GREEK.
H7307 RUACH roo'-akh From H7306 ;
WIND;
       by RESEMBLANCE BREATH,
       that is, a sensible (or even violent)  
                exhalation;
       FIGURATIVELY life, anger, unsubstantiality;
       by EXTENSION a region of the sky;
       by RESEMBLANCE SPIRIT,
 But ONLY  OF a RATIONAL BEING
(including its expression and functions):—

 G4151 PNENUM Apnyoo'-mah From G4154 ;
A CURRENT OF AIR
    that is, BREATH (blast) or a breeze;
    by ANALOGY or figuratively a spirit,
                that is, (human) the rational soul,
   (by IMPLICATION) vital principle,
   MENTAL DISPOSITION disposition,
        OR (superhuman) an angel, DAEMON, or   
              (divine) God,  [God IS Spirit or Mind]
        Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:—ghost, life,
            spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590
Is. 11:1  And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Is. 11:2 And the spirit OF the Lord shall rest
 upon him, the SPIRIT
        [1] OF wisdom and
        [2] OF understanding, the spirit of
        [3] OF counsel and
        [4] OF might, the spirit of
        [5] OF knowledge and of the
        [6] OF fear of the Lord;
                Is. 11:3 And shall make him of
        [7]  OFquick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall NOT judge after the SIGHT of his eyes, neither reprove after the HEARING of his ears:
Is. 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the POOR, and reprove with equity for the MEEK of the earth:
    and he shall SMITE the earth with the
    ROD [not a god] of his MOUTH,
    and with the SPIRIT OF his LIPS
    shall he slay the wicked.
Is. 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My SPIRIT that is upon thee,
   and my WORDS which I have put in thy  
   MOUTH, shall not depart out of thy MOUTH, nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed, nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed’s seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Eph. 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation,
    and the sword of the SPIRIT,
    which is the WORD of God:		 Spirit in the Bible overwhelmingly agrees with the classical Greek definition. Some examples which show that "Spirit" is the mental disposition of are:
[Spirit of] wisdom Deuteronomy 34:9
[spirit of] judgment and a
[spirit of] fire. Isaiah 4:4
[spirit of] Seven spirits of knowledge would rest on Jesus Isaiah 11:1-3
[spirit of] dizziness Isaiah 19:14
[spirit of] justice Isaiah 28:6
[spirit of] despair Isaiah 61:3
[spirit of] prostitution Hosea 4:12
[spirit of] grace and supplication Zechariah 12:10
[spirit of] impurity Zechariah 13:2
[spirit of] Jesus Acts 16:7
[spirit of] holiness Romams 1:4
[spirit of] life Romams 8:2
[spirit of] sonship Romams 8:15
[spirit of] stupor Romams 11:8
[spirit of] unity Romams 15:5
[spirit of] the world 1 Corinthians 2:12
[spirit of] Faith 2 Corinthians 4:13
[spirit of] wisdom and revelation Ephesiahs 1:17
[spirit of] timidity,
[spirit of] power, of love and of self-discipline. 2 Timothy 1:7
[spirit of] grace Hebrews 10:29
[spirit of] glory 1 Peter 4:14
[spirit of] the antichrist 1 John 4:3
[spirit of] truth and the
[spirit of] falsehood. 1 John 4:6
[spirit of] prophecy. Revelation 19:10
[spirit of] lying 1 Kings 22:22

JESUS SAID THAT "DEVIL DO" RHETORIC, MUSIC, SCENIC, SELLING
Those OF this World, for whom Jesus doesn't pray, are DUST or ABORIGINES without A New Spirit  given only by Jesus.

Rick.Atchley.Advanced.Homilectics.And.Devil.Worship
Rick.Atchley.Acts.17.25.God.Not.Worshipped.Mens.Hand
However, The Beast from the EARTH is worshipped by whatever happens in your congregation including MUSIC which is the MARK of an ABOMINATION and DISREPUTABLE, BURNABLE.

1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
        the last Adam was made a QUICKENING SPIRIT
1Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren,
        that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
        neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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ANY "MUSICAL" WORSHIP IS OF APOLLYON AND IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
There is not one person in Holy Scripture said to worship God by preaching, listening, singing, playing an instrument, acting or PAY TO PLAY.
Musical Instruments to Worship Satan
SerpentWorship.html

CLAY TABLETS, HOLY SCRIPTURE, MEDICAL SCIENCE AND CHURCH SCHOLARS CONDEMNS RELIGIOUS RHETORIC, MUSIC AND DRAMA TO BURNING.  AND THE APOSTATES CANNOT FIND ONE PERSON IN HOLY SCRIPTURE SAID TO WORSHIP BY RHETORIC, MUSIC, DRAMA OR PAY TO PLAY.  BEING STRONGLY DELUDED IS A PITIFUL STATE

The Great Red Dragon

Immediately after the fifth angel blew his trumpet, a star fell from “the sky to the earth” (Revelation 9:1). This star “opened the Abyss” (Revelation 9:2), unleashing a battalion of demonic soldiers likened to a plague of locusts (Revelation 9:3) resembling “horses prepared for battle” (Revelation 9:7).

Rev. 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon

Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent,
        called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
        he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

aggelos , ho, hē, A.messenger, envoy, 2. generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury,   Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos, o kheli_d-ōn , twittering of the swallow was prov. used of barbarous tongues by the Greeks, “eiper esti mē khelidonos dikēn agnōta phōnēn barbaron kektēmenē” khelidonōn mouseia bowers that ring with poetasters' twitterings, aēdonōn mouseia
4. in later philos., semi-divine being, “hēliakoi a.”
        aeidō   hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, Pl.Smp..223c; hoot as owls, Arat.1000; croak as frogs, of other sounds, twang, of the bow-string, Od.21.411;  also, vie with one in singing, 1. c. acc. rei, sing of, chant, “mēnin aeide” Il.1.1; “paiēona”  “Apollōni Paiani”

OPPOSITE logos kalōs rhētheis,
HAVE THE TRUMPETS SOUNDED AND YOU MISSED OUT?

Worship Mousan  disreputable, “lakismat' adokim' olbiois ekhein” E.Tr.497; “mousa”
Dios aigiokhoio thugateres” Daughters whatever the sex, II. mousa, as Appellat., music, song,
        [1]   adokim discredited, reprobate,  2. unsatisfactory, unconvincing   discredited    
Speaking of the Instrumental-Trinitarian-Perverted and beyond redemption at sinai:

Rom. 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1.28 Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

[1a] “apaideuton tōn peri tas numphikas

"Women and girls from the different ranks of society were proud to enter the service of the gods as singers and musicians. The understanding of this service was universal: these singers constituted the 'harem of the gods'." "The Catholic Johannes Quasten in Pagan and Christian Music tells it like it is)Philodemus considered it paradoxical that music should be regarded as veneration of the gods while musicians were paid for performing this so-called veneration. Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy.
..........He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines
..........[tabering with one's hands or upon one's breast]
..........as a disturbance of the spirit.
..........He found it significant that, on the whole,
..........only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.

Carol Wimber: Fuller source of female and effeminate "scholars"
Paul warned you about exercising authority--authentia Sexual and Murderous of youth who are told and shown that Paul and Holy Scripture is a lie.

Jeanene.Reese.LGBT.MUST.be.Included.html
Sara.Barton.The.Song.of.Solomon.html
Sara.Barton.And.The.Hieros.Gamos.html
Sara.Barton.And.Communal.Sex.Language.html
Laura.Buffington.Sex.Salvation.Hieros.Gamos.html
 Rubel.Shelly-John.York.Narrative.Theology.html: Rubel: Let me give you an example to work with in relation to the question you've raised: homosexuality and the ordination of practicing homosexuals to ministry.
Why don't we at least entertain the possibility that the Bible simply reflects an ANCIENT TABOO or homophobic prejudice in a few people like Paul -- a taboo and prejudice we need to outgrow
         [2]  Stu^ger-os musicians are  hated, ABOMINATED, loathed, ABOMINABLE loathsome,
                to one's  sorrow, miserably,
 Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE   GREAT, THE MOTHER [matēr] OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Matthew 24:15] "When, therefore, you see the abomination [Bdelugma  of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
poimēn    2. after Hom. always shepherd, teacher

Hes. Th. 1
From the Heliconian Muses let us begin to sing, And one day they taught Hesiod glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under holy Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to me:

"[25] the Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis: “SHEPHERDS of the wilderness,
        wretched things of SHAME, mere bellies,
        we know how to speak many false things as though they were true;
        but we know, when we will, to utter true things.”
            ...and they bade me sing of the race of the blessed gods that are eternally,
                but ever to sing of themselves both first and last.

lēgō,  2. c. gen., stop, cease from , eridos, kholoio, phonoio, apataōn, ponou, khoroio, Il.1.319,224, 6.107 [give ground], Od.13.294, Il.10.164, 3.394; [ceased from the dance  “aoidēs” Hes.Th.48
 cf. 59. Cf. ōdē. [Dissyll. in Hes.Th.48 (unless lēgousi t' aoidēs be read) and in Pi. l.c. (unless melizen be read).]
Hom. Il. 3.319 And the people made prayer and lifted their hands to the gods; and thus would one of the Achaeans and Trojans speak
Kheir the hand, whether closed, or open, flat [not the forearm pēkhus ]
Hom. Od. 13.287 Bold man, crafty in counsel, insatiate in deceit, not even in thine own land, it seems, wast thou to cease from guile [295] and deceitful tale

Hes. Th. 48 So said the ready-voiced daughters of great Zeus, and they plucked and gave [30] me a rod, a shoot of sturdy laurel, a marvellous thing, and breathed into me a divine voice to celebrate things that shall be and things that were aforetime; and they bade me sing of the race of the blessed gods that are eternally, but ever to sing of themselves both first and last. [35] But why all this about oak or stone? Come you, let us begin with the Muses who gladden the great spirit of their father Zeus in Olympus with their songs,
        [3] They are from  Aidēs” Haidēs   Aidao domoisi in the nether world to the nether world,
                   place of departed spirits,
             2. gen. hadou with nouns in adjectival sense, devilsh,
Rev. 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts [Apollon's Musicians] upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.[4]

[4] “thuousan ha. mēter'” A.Ag.1235; “ha. mageiros”

The WRATH proven when men let the feminine--effeminate become SHEPHERDS

Aesch. Ag. 1202

Cassandra
The seer Apollo appointed me to this office.

Chorus
[1204] Can it be that he, a god, was smitten with desire?

Cassandra
[1203] Before now I was ashamed to speak of this.

Chorus
[1205] In prosperity all take on airs.

mantis m' Apollōn tōd' epestēsen telei.


Aesch. Ag [1235] 

Cassandra
The seer Apollo appointed me to this office.

Chorus
[1204] Can it be that he, a god, was smitten with desire?

 a raging, devil's mother, breathing relentless war against her husband? And how the all-daring woman raised a shout of triumph, as when the battle turns, the while she feigned to joy at his safe return!

[5]  They are FOREORDAINED to this JUDGMENT and as "Locusts" chase the GODLY out.
        Jude.There.Should.Be.Mockers.in.the.Last.Time.html

[6]  AND MOCKED
     Worship.Androgyny.The.Pagan.Sexual.Ideal.html
     Jeanene.Reese.LGBT.MUST.be.Included.html

[7]  They Do NOT know God nor Christ
       2.John.1.9.The.Doctrine.of.Christ.html

2John 9 Whosoever transgresseth,
        and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
        He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

doctrīna , ae, f. doctor, I.teaching, instruction (class.; cf.: litterae, artes, disciplina, praecepta, scientia, humanitas).
A. Object., the knowledge imparted by teaching, i. e. science, erudition, learning:
B. Subject., the habit produced by instruction, principle:
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Prophet-es  One who speaks for a god and interprets his will to man, Dios p. interpreter, expounder of the will of Zeus, of Tiresias.  Especially of the Delphic APOLLO- APOLLYON, “Dios p. esti Loxias patros” A.Eu.19; of the minister and interpreter at Delphi, Hdt.8.36,37; 3. interpreter, expounder of the utterances of the mantis [locusts-muses, Paul's Mad women of Corinth] (q.v.), Pl.Ti.72a: hence, of Poets, “Pieridōn p.” Pi.Pae.6.6; “Mousan p.” B.8.3, cf. Pl.Phdr.262d.

Paul equated speaking in tongues (languages) with musical instruments.
The only people in history who babbled infantile words were the Priestesses of Apollyon who were the Locusts-Muses-Reprobate.

Women used vapors from the earth, drugs and often mind-altering music. In fact, all religious music or tongues is an attempt to silence the Inspired Word. That word or logos is God's Creating and Regulating power: it outlaws rhetoric, opinions, experiences, singing, playing instruments or ANYTHING beyond the commanded weekly assembly. That worship from the wilderness onward was to PREACH God's word by READING God's Word.

Jer. 2:8 The priests said not, Where is the LORD?
        and they that handle the law knew me not:
        the pastors also transgressed against me,
        and the prophets prophesied [singing, dancing, playing the harp] by Baal,
        and walked after things that do not profit.
Mic. 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward,
        and the priests thereof teach for hire,
        and the prophets thereof divine for money:  [musical sorcery]
        yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say,
        Is not the LORD among us?
        none evil can come upon us.

Musical Worship Ministers earn a fortune by claiming that "We can Bring God down in your presence" or "we can bring you into the presence of God."  They are believed because these skills are called SORCERY. And the to mark the almost total of those who divert you from the "Way that is called a SECT." It is the Road, Pattern or Method commanded from the wilderness onward

The way to MARK the tiny Kingdom of God which is within you when you REST and "Learn of Jesus." Anything else is proof that your university-trained "theologian" is MARKED by God providing NO FUNDING  for anyone but those who TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT."

TONGUES OF OR BAPTIZE WITH FIRE ALWAYS A WARNING MAYBE TO THE SPEAKER.

לָשׁוֹן lâshôwn and figuratively (speech, an ingot, a fork of flame, a cove of water):— babbler, bay, evil speaker, language, talker, tongue, wedge.

Jeremiah 9:2; Jeremiah 9:4; as instrument of seductive flattery
4. tongue of fire, devouring, כֶּאֱכֹל קַשׁ לְשׁוֺן אֵשׁ Isaiah 5:24;
Is. 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
of falsehood Psalm 78:36 (compare below); of slander (
moral qualities ascribed to: — as arrogant Psalm 12:5 (compare Psalm 12:4 above); as devising injuries
often of lying tongue: לְשׁוֺן שֶׁקֶר Proverbs 6:17; Proverbs 12:19; Proverbs 21:6; Proverbs 26:28; Psalm 109:2; מִרְמָה לְ׳ Psalm 52:
gurative of י׳'s unintelligible dealings); עַם ֗֗֗ נִלְעַג ל׳ Isaiah 33:19

Ecclesiastes 10:11 (of serpent-charmer
compare of י׳, וּלְשׁוֺנוֺ כְּאֵשׁ אֹכָ֑לֶת Isaiah 30:27 (|| שְׂפָתָיו מָֽלְאוּ זַעַם).
Is. 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
Is. 30:28 And his breath [BREATH], as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err.
     Isaiah 30:29 LXX Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a pipe, asthose that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel 
   Isaiah 30:30 LXX and the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail. 
Isaiah 28:11 (|| אַחֶרֶת ל׳, לַעֲגֵי שָׂפָה, figurative of י׳'s unintelligible dealings); עַם ֗֗֗ נִלְעַג ל׳

Lashown (H3956) law-shone'; also (in plur.) fem. from 3960; the tongue (of man or animals), used literally. (as the instrument of licking, eating, of speech), and figurative. (speech, an ingot, a fork of flame, a cove or water): - babbler, bay, / evil speaker, language, talker, tongue, wedge

lashan (h3960) law-shan'; a prim. root; prop. to lick; but used only as a denom. from 3956; to wag the tongue, i. e. to calumniate: - accuse, slander.

But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered themselves together: yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not: Ps 35:15

With hypocritical mockers (h3934) in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth. Ps.35:16

lag (h3932) law-ag'; a prim. root; to deride; by impl. (as if imitating a foreigner) to speak unintelligibly: - have in derision, laugh (to scorn), mock (on), stammering.

Psa. 35:14 I behaved myself as though he had been my friend or brother: I
         bowed down heavily, as one that mourneth for his mother.
Psa. 35:15 But in mine adversity they rejoiced,
        and gathered themselves together:
        yea, the abjects gathered themselves together against me,
        and I knew it not; they did tear me, and ceased not:
Psa. 35:16 With hypocritical mockers in feasts, they gnashed upon me with their teeth.
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Bruner, in The Holy Spirit clearly knows that most church music is "low level glossolalia." And so all of the Classical writers understood it as the soothsayer's method to make an intimate connection with the goddess (had to pay for it, too.)

Holy Scripture is what Jesus defined as the Prophets and prophecies CONCERNING ME.  The Gospel; (word, faith, spirit) is the Last Will and Testament left by Jesus to12 witnesses. They left us a "memory" of what they saw and heard and died for. The records or epistles were commanded to be READ. The school of Christ is conducted, in many places, as READ or SPEAK that which is WRITTEN for our learning.   Wouldn't it be obscene if a letter from Paul was chopped into bits as FODDER for sermons by hirelings. A hireling is someone hired to lead the flock.

Preacher is defined as an eye-- and ear--witness.

An evangelist CARRIES the message of good news to all nations. The Almighty gives no human the right to--by definition to disciples who can hear--to be a Priests or Levite who operated the NATIONAL Temple, dedicated to the worship of the starry host, by those under the King and Commanders of the Army.

YOU have no excuse if you give a nickel or a minute to anyone who teaches beyond that which has been written. Jesus gave that to APT or well versed elders and the deacons were the only ministers.

YOU are informed indivisibly NOT to Pay for the Free Water of the Word.  Isaiah 55 the Word is Spirit.
You are commanded not to do or say anything for your pleasure (rhetoric, music, scenic) and you are commanded--and probably forced by delusions-not to SPEAK any words of your own. Isaiah 58

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God,
        I will send them prophets and apostles,
        and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luke 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets,
        which was shed from the foundation of the world,
        may be required of this generation;
Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias,
        which perished between the altar and the temple:
        verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers!
        for ye have taken away the key of knowledge:
        ye entered not in yourselves,
        and them that were entering in ye hindered.

THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU: That is Where Jesus Christ, now in the STATE, Holy Spirit [never a person or god], teaches the twos and threes when the come outside the gates (doors), REST, and learn of ME.

Baptism is to be Washed with Water INTO the Word or School of Christ.

I got an e-mail wanting me to watch a documentary on Ephesus. I told him that I would collect a few notes connecting Ephesus to the dirty girls and "Satyrs" (The mark of the BEAST) in Ephesus. I don't know any "theologian-mythologists) in church history who can read BLACK text on BROWN paper and understand that Paul commanded SPEAK and the only RESOURCE is the "will, spirit, Word". I will clean this up in time.  Everyone I know is suddenly lying TO God and ABOUT God. See Revelation 17 about the return of the "Babylon Mother of Harlots." In Revelation 18 here clergy are "Lusted after fruit" (same as in Amos 8). They are singers, instrument players and Craftsmen. Craftsmen are Technicians often as "theater builders and stage managers" but includes ANY parasitic STAFF. These are called SORCERERS a term of the original Babylon Mother of Harlots. Along with liars and DOGS!, They will be or ARE BEING  CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
  


ONLY THE APOSTLES COULD SPEAK ALL LANGUAGES UNTIL THE TESTAMENT WAS PROBATED.

Matt. 23:34  Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and SCRIBES:
     [Disqualified Max Lucado] and some of them ye shall kill and crucify;
     and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God,
    I will send them prophets and APOSTLES,
    [Disqualified Max Lucado] and some of them they shall slay and persecute:

Max speaks some heavenly language because he says that the 120 were baptized with the HOLY SPIRIT.
He claims that all 120 were baptized, spoke in tongues and Mary spoke in some tongue understood by some visitors.

Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ASHAMED of me and of MY WORDS in this adulterous and sinful generation;
        of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed,
        when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

SPEAKING "GIBBERISH" IS GOD'S STRONG DELUSION

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY
        and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer,
        but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Preaching and the Gift of speaking other DIALECTS spoke only the WORD of the TRUTH of the GOSPEL. 
    Jesus set a TRUTH and GENDER Trap:
John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth;
       the flesh profiteth nothing:
       the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you,
       they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE

Neither MAX nor any of the prophesied end-time THOUGHT-LEADER Theologians are old enough to hear the WORD from the MOUTH of Jesus.

Acts 16:7 and when they were come over against Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia; and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not;
Greek: 7] cum venissent autem in Mysiam temptabant ire Bithyniam et non permisit eos Spiritus Iesu
Latin:  7] elthontes de kata tēn Musian epeirazon eis tēn Bithunian poreuthēnai kai ouk eiasen autous to pneuma Iēsou:

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you,
        That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death,
        till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 

Notice that the antecedant from here to the end of Mark is the eleven. Over and over, them. There is no way to insert anyone else to refer back to them: the eleven. The last them refers back to verses 12-13.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up,
        after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments
        unto the APOSTLES whom HE had chosen:
Acts 1:3 To WHOM, also he shewed himself ALIVE after his passion by many infallible proofs,    
        being seen of THEM forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them,
        commanded THEM that THEY should not depart from Jerusalem,
        but wait for the PROMISE of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but YOU [APOSTLES] shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost
NO MANY DAYS HENCE

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate,
        and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
Acts 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
Acts 1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

SPIRIT MEANS (only) THAT GOD Through the MAN Jesus put His WORDS into the MOUTH of the Apostles-only

Not having any trouble with the 120 neglects that those EMPOWERED all SPOKE: Peter stood up with the 11. They were all MEN. Since the room was filled, and this was just at daylight, I assume that they were in the BED ROOM where the Apostles lived and the women might enter: probably not big enough for 120 to bed down.
   1. The 11 were to tarry.
    2. The 120 were not told to tarry.
    3. The 120 were not in the upper room.
    4. They did not receive the power.
    5. They did not speak in tongues.
        all men
        all galileans

Scripture denies that Mary spoke in some known language:

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the ELEVEN, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, 
        Ye MEN of JUDAEA, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem,
        be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
JESUS IS THE ONLY RABBI OR TEACHER WHEN ELDERS "TEACH THAT WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT."

Acts 2:32 This Jesus [man] hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 2:33 Therefore (Jesus) being by the right hand of God exalted,
        and having received of the Father
        the PROMISE of the Holy Ghost,
        HE (Jesus) hath SHED forth this, which ye now see and hear.
1Cor. 15:45 And so it is written,
        The first man Adam was made a living soul; 
        The last Adam was MADE A QUICKENING SPIRI
Jesus was given the OFFICE of THE HOLY SPIRIT [Pure Breath]
Epagg-elia 
A. command, summons, Plb.9.38.2.[Example: s sent an ambassador to your town]
b.  announcement, notice
3. offer, promise, profession, undertaking, D.21.14; “tas huperbolas tōn e.
dokimasias) summons to attend a dokimasia tōn rhētorōn (v. “epaggellō” 3), “e. tini epaggellein”
JESUS EXAMINES ALL DISCIPLES BEFORE HE ACCEPTS THEM AS HIS DISCIPLES
1. of magistrates after election, to see if they fulfil the legal requirements of legitimacy, full citizenship, etc., “
before admission to the rights of manhood, D.44.41, v. l
4. d. tōn rhētorōn a judicial process to determine the right of a man to speak in the ekklēsia
5. examination of recruits,1Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so IN Christ shall all be made alive.
“tōn hiereōn” FOR THE PRIESTHOOD:

Those who refuse to believe meaning comply by being baptized are damned.

SPIRIT is never in any language a person or a god. SPIRIT is figurative or a parable: it is ALWAYS "God put His WORDS into the MOUTH of Moses, Elijah (the Prophets) and LASTLY the MAN Jesus of Nazareth, the prophetic Prophet like Moses.

The New Covenant is the Last Will and Testament of Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus died to earn the right to the the ONLY RABBI or TEACHER. That is why neither male nor female are permitted to teach over or fabricate their songs and sermons.

PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JESUS, WILL GLADLY LEAD YOU ON THE ROAD, AS WITH MUSICIANS ETAL, ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. That is why they were unleashed along with Apollyon and his adulterous worship team.

THE ONE PIECE PATTERN IS ABSOLUTELY AND CLEARLY DEFINED FOR ANYONE ABLE TO READ. The Will of Jesus will NEVER be tampered with or made merchandise of.

Boulēma   purpose, Gorg.Hel.6 (pl.), Ar.Av.993, Isoc.3.15, D.18.49 (pl.); intent, “tou nomothetou” Pl.Lg.769d, 802c (pl.), al.; to b. tēs kriseōs intention to judge, Id.Phlb.41e: pl., “boulēmasi Moirēs”

3. intention of a testator, BGU 361ii 23 (ii A. D.): hence, will, testament, POxy.907.1 (iii A. D.), PLips. 29.7 (iii A. D.).
II.   express will, consent, “tēs sugklētou” [PATTERN FOR THE ASSEMBLY] Plb.6.15.4.

sugklētou” [FOR THE ASSEMBLY II. s. ekklēsia at Athens, an assembly specially summoned
 ekklēsia 3. = psēphisma, anagignōskomenēs e. Philostr.VS2.1.11.
THE ONLY PATTERN anagignōskō , later anagi_nōskō :  of written characters, know them again, and so, read, first in Pi.O.10(11).1, cf. Ar.Eq.118, 1065, Th.3.49, And.1.47, etc. (never in Trag.); anagnōsetai (sc. ho grammateus)
“hoi anagignōskontes” students, Plu.Alex. 1, ta biblia ta anegnōsmena books read aloud, hence, published, opp. ta anekdota,

"The word that is employed for this "anaginosko, anagnosis) is the technical term for the cultic reading aloud of the Old Testament in the synagogue. By applying this terminology to the reading of his own epistles he not only ascribes the same authority to the apostolic word as to the Old Testament writings...he also combines a quotation from the Old Testament with a word of Jesus and introduces the whole with the familiar formula: 'for the Scripture says.'" (Ridderbos, Hermon, Paul, P. 483 an Outline of His Theo., Eerdmans)

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time
        hath in every city them that PREACH him,
        being READ in the synagogues every sabbath day. [ONCE EACH WEEK]
THE SCRIPTURE WHICH GOD WILL NEVER ALLOW THEOLOGIANS TO READ:

Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [EDUCATED BY] the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief [Only Rabbi] corner stone; [at secret and silent places]
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together GROWETH unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph. 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

ALL POWERFUL PREACHER-PASTOR-PERSONS ARE BIBLE ILLITERATE BY A STRONG DELUDION

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
        because they knew him not,
        nor yet the VOICES  of the PROPHETS
        which are READ every sabbath day,
        they have fulfilled them in condemning him

"Although the sermon was not an essential part of the synagogue service, the translation and explanation of the Scripture lesson was a step in the direction of a preaching service. There is evidence that an exposition of the lesson formed a part of the Sabbath afternoon service. In earliest times the sermon seems to have been connected with the READING FROM THE PROPHETS. Anyone able to instruct might be asked to preach (Acts 13:15). The preacher spoke from a sitting position on an elevated place (Luke 4:20). (feiffer, Charles F., Between the Testaments, p. 63 Baker Book House).
Update 9.19.22
Isa. 28:4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower,
        and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that
Is. 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
h3934.  laꜥeg, law-ayg´; from 3932; a buffoon; also a foreigner:—mocker, stammering.
h3932.  laꜥag, law-ag´; a primitive root; to deride; by implication (as if imitating a foreigner) to speak unintelligibly:—have in derision, laugh (to scorn), mock (on), stammering.
Is. 28:12 To whom he said, This is the REST wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest;
        and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Is. 28:13 But the WORD of the LORD was unto THEM precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
        line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
        THAT they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Is. 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD,
        ye SCORNFUL men, that RULE this people which is in Jerusalem.
h3887.  luwts, loots; a primitive root; properly, to make mouths at, i.e. to scoff;
        hence (from the effort to pronounce a foreign language) to interpret, or (generally) intercede:—
        ambassador, have in derision, interpreter, make a mock, mocker, scorn(-er, -ful), teacher.

Ps 1:1  Blessed is the man that
        walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
        nor standeth in the way of sinners,
        nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
impĭus (inp- ), a, um, adj. 2. in-pius, I. without reverence or respect for God, one's parents, or one's country; irreverent, ungodly, undutiful, unpatriotic; abandoned, wicked, impious (rare but class.; cf.: nefarius, sacrilegus. Tumultus  “quis sonitu ac tumultu tanto nomine nominat me atque pulsat aedes?” Plaut. Bacch. 5, 2, 1: B. Of speech, confusion, disorder: “sermonis,” Plin. 7, 12, 10, § 55: “criminum,”

Pulso Of musical instruments: “chordas digitis et pectine eburno,” to strike, play upon, Verg. A. 6, 647: “chelyn,” Val. Fl. 1, 139: “pectine nervos,” Sil. 5, 463: “cymbala,”

B. Transf., to strike against, to strike, touch any thing (poet.): “ipse arduus altaque pulsat Sidera,” Verg. A. 3, 619; 10, 216; Sil. 9, 450: “vasto qui vertice nubila pulsat,” Val. Fl. 4, 149.—Of abstract subjects: “ululatus pulsat aures,”
Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their RULERS,
        because they knew him not,
        nor yet the VOICES of the prophets
        which are  READ every sabbath day,
        they have fulfilled them in condemning him

THE ABSOLUTE SINGULAR PATTERN OF THE SYNAGOGUE, EKKLESIA, CHURCH

Eph. 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph. 2:20 And are built upon [Educated in the Ekklesia] the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
        Jesus Christ himself being the chief [only Rabbi]  corner stone; [The anle or isolated, secret, silent place]
Eph. 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
Thomas.Olbricht.Hearing.Gods.Voice
Olbricht has led many Chruches and perhaps all once-Christian Universities to repudiate God, Jesus, The Apostles or the preserved TEXT could have anticipated our culture

Olbricht provides an “AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL HERMENEUTIC” as he unfolds the story of his fruitful career.
        in a style reminiscent of Reinhold Niebuhr’s Leaves from the Notebook of a Tamed Cynic, 
        Olbricht conveys profound theological INSIGHTS through accounts of his own life EXPERIENCES.

Matt. 13:38 The field is the world;
        the good SEED are the children of the kingdom;
        but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Matt. 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
        the harvest is the end of the world;  [Aion messianic Age]
        and the REAPERS are the ANGELS

God sends forth MUSICIANS meaning to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter.
aggelos  Arabios a., of a loquacious person,  2.  generally, one that announces or tells, e.g. of birds of augury, Il.24.292,296; Mousōn aggelos,a. kai arkhaggeloi

Mousōn   Dios aigiokhoio thugateres” Daughters whatever the sex led by Apollyon.
 “kanakhan . .gnashing of teeth, clanging brass, k. aulōn sound of flutes, of the lyre
HH 3 185 To Pythian Apollo, Apollyon: Leto's all-glorious son goes to rocky Pytho, playing upon his hollow lyre, clad in divine, perfumed garments;
        and his lyre, [185] at the TOUCH of the golden key, sings sweet.
Thence, swift as thought, he speeds from earth to Olympus, to the house of Zeus,
        to join the gathering of the other gods:
then straightway the undying gods think only of the lyre and song, and all the Muses together,
        voice sweetly answering voice, [190] hymn the unending gifts the
        all that they endure at the hands of the deathless gods,
        and how they live witless and helpless
                and cannot find healing for death or defence against old age.
Meanwhile the rich-tressed GRACES and cheerful Seasons dance with [195] Harmonia and Hebe and Aphrodite, daughter of Zeus, holding each other by the wrist.
    And among them SINGS ONE, not mean nor puny, but tall to look upon and enviable in mien, Artemis who delights in arrows, sister of APOLLYON. [200] Among them sport Ares and the keen-eyed Slayer of Argus, while Apollo plays his lyre stepping high and featly and a radiance shines around him, the gleaming of his feet and close-woven vest.

ka^na^kh-eō    k. melos to let a song ring loud, A.R.4.907.  There is no musical melos or melody in Scripture.
Od.6.82; odontōn men k. pele GNASHING OF TEETH,  k. aulōn sound of flutes, Pi.P.10.39 (pl.), B.2.12, cf. S.Tr.642 (lyr.); ofthelyre, h.Ap.185.

THE KITHERA MYSTERIES: suddenly organised and pianists lost their role and the GUITAR PICKER AND FAT GIRLS invaded;

"The psaltery a triangular instrument similar to a harp, produced gentler sound and would be more suitable for somewhat restrained and low-key events, as would be the kithara, an instrument similar to the lyre.

Both were traditional instruments played in a variety of events, public and private, and were often accompanied by song, either by the performer him/herself or a singer.  Aristotle attests that those musicians came from the lower social strata, and many of them, both men and women, were prostitutes hired to entertain guests in private parties.6 

Aeschines, for example, attests that Misgolas, one of the alleged lovers of Timarchos, had a reputation for being very fond of kithara boys, while Antiphanes and Alexis confirm this with jokes about Misgolas and his kithara boys. In Xenophon’s Symposion the beautiful boy who could play the kithara and dance aroused enthusiasm among the guests and made his master a lot of money.

Xenophon.Symposium.Lying.Wonders.Music.html
Mousōn  [Locusts]
      theias antiluron mousas” S.Tr.643 (lyr.); “
A.to be inspired, frenzied, [WRATH] frenzy obtained inspiration through ritual,
II. worship as divine, Id.59.27; “Puthagoran kai Platōna”
Mousōn  [Locusts]  
        Aiakō moisan pherein” Pi.N.3.28  [LADED BURDEN]“adein adokimon m.” Pl.Lg. 829d: i
The MUSES are  adokimon  3. DISREPUTABLE “lakismat' adokim' olbiois ekhein” E.Tr.497; “mousa” Ep.Rom.1.28. 4. of persons, Pl.R.618b; discredited, reprobate, X.Lac.3.3, 2 Ep.Tim.3.8, etc.
Mousōn  [Locusts]
        adein  aeidō  crow as cocks, Pl.Smp..223c; hoot as owls, Arat.1000; croak as frogs, a. pros aulon ē luran
            sing to .sing of, chant, “mēnin aeide” Il.1.1; “paiēona” . A Song to 2. title of APOLLON (later as epith.,
            “Apollōni Paiani” OPPOSITE . logos

Instrumental Music is equated to Speaking in Tongues:  The Speaking part is musical. There is not anyone in Holy Scripture who is said to worship God by preaching, listening, singing, playing instruments, acting (pulpit) or PAY TO PLAY

Max Lucado Now Speaks in Tongues?

Tongues is Corinth were not mad gibberish: it was speaking a minor dialect when most transients in Corinth could speak in Koine.
The gift of speaking man languages-as could Paul--could be bestowed ONLY by the anointing or laying on of a Apostle. This gift of "prophesying" meant Speaking the revealed WORD by inspiration.

1Corinthians 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you?
        or came it unto you only?

"Maniac inspirations, the violent possession which threw sibyls and priestesses into contortions--the foaming lip and streaming hair and glazed or glaring eyes-- have no place in the self-controlling dignity of Christian inspiration. Even Jewish prophets, in the paroxysm of emotion, might lie naked on the ground and rave (1 Sam. xix. 24); but the genuine inspiration in Christian ages never obliterates the self-consciousness or overpowers the reason. It abhors the hysteria and stimulation and frenzy which have sometimes disgraced revivalism and filled lunatic asylums." (Pulpit Commentary, 1 Cor., p. 460).

1Cor. 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather
        speak five words with my understanding,
        that by my voice I might TEACH others also,
        than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Many have observed that this a reversion to the archaic and is a sign of deep spiritual lostness.

I have reviewed Max Lucado's sermons and writings and believe that a fair review is to let Holy Scripture do the Talking.
Max was trained in an environment of the New Hermeneutics led by Thomas Olbricht and Lynn Anderson:

http://www.pineycom.com/Thomas.Olbricht.Hearing.Gods.Voice.html
"Olbricht conveys profound theological INSIGHTS through accounts of his own life EXPERIENCES."
Hermēneuon ktl. For the term hermēneuein to describe the mediating office of daimones, cp. Epin. 985 B hermēneuesthai (daimonas) pros allēlous te kai tous...theous pantas te kai panta. Hommel bids us take hermēneuon with anthr. ta para theōn (as “eiusdem atque Hermēs radicis”) and diaporthmeuon with theois ta par' anthrōpōn (the office of the porthmeus, Charon, being “animas e terra ad sedes deorum transvehere”).
The ONLY role for a PREACHER:
diaporthm-euō ,  A.carry over or across a river or strait, Hdt.4.141, Acus.29J., etc.; carry a message from one to another, Hdt.9.4
Debbie.Boggs.Psallo.Instrumental.Music.in.Worship.html

MUCH WORSE AND JUST IN TIME:

Jesus said that He and His Disciples were FROM ABOVE:
        The Jewish Clergy were from BENEATH or Tartarus.

 Jeanene.P.Reese.Theology.of.Women.Teachers
Her thesis is that that Adam served the earth and the earth is a mother.

The BEAST from the EARTH exerciseth all the POWER of the first BEAST before him,
        and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein
        to worship the first BEAST, whose deadly wound was healed. Rev. 13:12

Tera natives of the soil, aborigines [dust], autochthones" The Earth as goddess used by feminists:  Personified, Terra, the Earth, as a goddess; “usu. called Tellus, Magna Mater, Ceres, Cybele, etcThe infernal regions, Prop. 3, 5

Mater, i. e. Cybele, the mother of all the gods: “matris magnae sacerdos,” Cic. Sest. 26; cf. absol.: matris quate cymbala circum, Verg. G. 4, 64; id. A. 9, 108  Of the earth, as the mother of all: “
Verg. G. 4, 64 Sweets I bid, and sprinkle them,
Bruised balsam and the wax-flower's lowly weed,
And wake and shake the tinkling cymbals heard
 By the great Mother: on the anointed spots
Themselves will settle, and in wonted wise
Seek of themselves the cradle's inmost depth.
săcerdos   “Dianae Ephesiae,” Plaut. Bacch. 2, 3, 73: “maximus (Syracusanorum),
 the priestesses of the Bona Dea),” Cic. Sest. 30,
CONTRARY AND ANTITHETICAL to the worship of God, THE WORSHIP OF THE BEAST is--

Thera^p-euō   II.   do service to the gods, athanatous, theous th., Hes.Op.135, Hdt.2.37, X.Mem.1.4.13, etc.; “daimona” Pi.P.3.109; Dionuson, Mousas, E.Ba.82 (lyr.), IT1105(lyr.); th. Phoibou [“Apollon”] naous serve them, Id.Ion111 (anap.): abs., worship, Lys.6.51; do service or honour to one's parents, E.Ion183 (lyr.), Pl.R.467a, Men.91a; serve, wait upon a master, Id.Euthphr.13d, cf. Ar.Eq.59, 1261, etc.; th. tas thēkas reverence men's graves, Pl.R.469a.
APOLLYON- Phoebus , i, m., = Phoibos (the radiant), I. a poetical appellation of Apollon as the god of light: “quae mihi Phoebus Apollon, Val. Fl. 1, 228: “Circe,” [CHURCH AS WORSHIP CENTER] daughter of Sol, Petr. 135.—
Phoebus , i, m., = Phoibos (the radiant), I.a poetical appellation of Apollo as the god of light: “quae mihi Phoebus Apollo, Val. Fl. 1, 228: “Circe,” daughter of Sol, Petr. 135.—
B. Phoe-bēus , a, um, adj., Phœbean, Apollinean: “carmina,” Lucr. 2, 504: “lampas,” the sun, Verg. A. 4, 6: “virgo,” Daphne, Ov. P. 2, 2, 82: “laurus,” id. Tr. 4, 2, 51: “Rhodos,” where the worship of Apollo prevailed, id. M. 7, 365: “lyra,” id. H. 16, 180: “sortes,” oracle, id. M. 3, 130: “tripodes,” id. A. A. 3, 789: “Phoebeā morbos pellere arte,” id. F. 3, 827.—

Female Worship Leader C. Phoebas , ădis, f., a PRIESTESS of Apollon; hence the inspired one, the PROPHETESS  Ov. Am. 2, 8, 12; id. Tr. 2, 400; Luc. 5, 128; 165.
PAUL COMPARED SPEAKING IN TONGUES TO MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS WHICH DON'T INSTRUCT.

1.Corinthians.14.Speaking.In.Tongues.html

The SPEAKING part is compared to musical instruments by Paul, in this example, are a sign or MARK. I am including links to Word Meanings and their use in especially Greek and Latin Literature.

John.T.Willis.Miriam.Prophetess.Church.Pattern.html
Worship.Pattern.In.The.Hebrew.Bible-John.T.Willis.html

La^l-eō ,Mark of the Locusts
II.  chatter, opp. articulate speech, as of locusts, chirp, Theoc.5.34; mesēmbrias lalein tettix (sc. eimi), a very grasshopper to chirp at midday, 
III.  of musical sounds, “aulō [flute] laleō” Theoc.20.29; of trees, v.supr.1.2; “di'aulou [flute] ē salpiggos l.”[trumpet] Arist. Aud.801a29; of Echo, D.C.74.14: also c.acc. cogn., magadin lalein sound the magadis, Anaxandr.35. [double flute]
Tettix  This noise is freq. used as a simile for sweet sounds, Il.3.151, Hes.Op.582, Sc.393, Simon.173, 174, etc.; and Plato calls them hoi Mousōn prophētai, Phdr.262d; but they also became a prov. for garrulity, “lalein tettix” Aristopho10.7: “t. polloi ginomenoi nosōdes to etos sēmainous
Mousa ,Muse,
A. “Olumpiades M., Dios aigiokhoio thugateres” Il.2.491, cf. Hes.Th.25, etc.; nine in number, first in Od.24.60; named in Hes.Th.75 sqq.
II. mousa, as Appellat., music, song, “m. stugera” A.Eu.308 (anap.); “euphamos” Id.Supp.695 (lyr.); “kanakhan . . theias antiluron mousas” S.Tr.643 (lyr.); “Aiakō moisan pherein” Pi.N.3.28; tis hēde mousa; what strain is this ?
2. hautē hē Sōkratous m. that was Socrates's way

OF MIRIAM'S and the Levite's prophesying:

prophēt-euō A.  to be a prophētēs or interpreter of the gods, “manteueo, Moisa, prophateusō d' egō” Pi. l.c.; tis prophēteuei theou; who is his interprete  [and Paul's Mad Women of Corinth]
Mant-euomai  2. generally, presage, forebode, surmise, of presentiment, Opposite. knowledge, Pl.Cra.411b, R.349a,
II. consult an oracle, seek divinations, Pi.O.7.31, Hdt.1.46, 4.172, etc.; “en Delphoisi” Id.6.76;
“ho gar theos manteuomenō moukhrēsen en Delphois pote” Ar.V.159, cf. Av.593

The mark of Apollo, Abaddon, Apollyon and the Muses at Delphi.

khraō (B). A. FORMS: contr. I. in Act. of the gods and their oracles, proclaim, abs., “khreiōn muthēsato Phoibos” 8.79:
“hē Puthiē hoi khra tade” Hdt.1.55,
“kh. mantesi Mousais” Ar.Av.724
From Charis or Grace: See Charismatic Worship
b. khrēsthai tini (without philō) to be intimate with a man, X.Hier.5.2, Mem.4.8.11
2. esp. of sexual intercourse, “gunaixi ekhrato” Hdt.2.181, cf. X.Mem.1.2.29, 2.1.30, Is.3.10, D.59.67.
Never, in Holy Scripture is anyone said to worship by preaching, listening, singing, playing an instrument, acting (at the pulpit) or PAY TO PLAY

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Epa^eidō  sing to or in accompaniment, “magos anēr . . e. theogoniēn” 2. sing as an incantation, “ha hai Seirēnes epēdon tō Odussei”
Xen. Mem. 2.6.11
poluain' Oduseu, mega kudos Akhaiōn.
”Hom. Od. 12.184t autēn oun, ephē, tēn epōdēn, ō Sōkrates, kai tois allois anthrōpois hai Seirēnes epadousai kateikhon,
Aristoph. Birds 724
If you recognize us as gods, we shall be your divining Muses, through us you will know the winds and the seasons, summer, [725] winter, and the temperate months. We shall not withdraw ourselves to the highest clouds like Zeus, but shall be among you and shall give to you [730] and to your children and the children of your children, health and wealth, long life, peace, youth, laughter, songs and feasts; in short, you will all be so well off, [735] that you will be weary and cloyed with enjoyment.
Lynn.Anderson.Oak.Hills.Church.html

Instrumental.Music.as.Religious.Sorcery.html

The word TONGUES as in "Speaking in Tongues" means Languages. Greek would be a Language in Paul's ministry: tongues were "minor dialects".  No one was to speak in Hebrew in Corinth when most travelers would understand Koine Greek.  Speaking outside of the Word, Logos or Regulative principle is GIBBERISH.

In Romans 12 there would be ONE person with the Apostolic-bestowed of SPEAKING various languages: that would be enough.  However, there would be ANOTHER with the bestowed ability to TRANSLATE various languages.  Modern theologians claim that THEY have the ability to explain or ENHANCE the Word and Worship of God.  That is defined as ANATHEMA: if you devote yourself and become rich and famous to ENABLE the finished work of God, then you are Anathema, you cannot be redeemed, and you must be BURNED.

SPIRIT in Hebrew, Greek and Latin is figurative or a PARABLE to Hide from Max Lucado and almost all modern Theologians who claim to speak beyond that which God supplied for life and godliness, in Scripture and the Greek and Latin Literature has to be led by the SPIRITUS of Apollyon. Apollyon is a Beast, 666, leader of the locusts or Muses.  The MUSES parse back to the Mother Goddess having buried the to be unleashed later from the SMOKEY PIT.  The muses are deceptive, are dirty adulteresses, and become THE SHEPHERDESSES.  The BEAST is also "A new style of music and Satyric (perverted) Drama.

The word SPEAK or READ that which is written for our LEARNING is absolute and the only way to mark those who are not, as with all prophetesses, emotionally or sexual abnormal.
Rev. 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
        and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:11. And--so Syriac. But A, B, and Aleph, omit "and."
      had--Greek, "have."
      a king . . . which is the angel--English Version, agreeing with A, Aleph, reads the (Greek) article before "angel," in which reading we must translate, "They have as king over them the angel," &c.; Satan (compare Re 9:1). Omitting the article with B, we must translate, "They have as king an angel," &c.;: one of the chief demons under Satan: I prefer from Re 9:1, the former.
      bottomless pit--Greek, "abyss."
     Abaddon--that is, perdition or destruction (Job 26:6 Pr 27:20). The locusts are supernatural instruments in the hands of Satan to torment, and yet not kill, the ungodly, under this fifth trumpet. Just as in the case of godly Job, Satan was allowed to torment with elephantiasis, but not to touch his life. In Re 9:20, these two woe-trumpets are expressly called "plagues." ANDREAS OF CÆSAREA, A.D. 500, held, in his Commentary on Revelation, that the locusts mean evil spirits again permitted to come forth on earth and afflict men with various plagues.

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues
        yet repented not of the works of their hands,
        that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone,
        and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev. 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their SORCERIES
            nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. [Tithes and offerings.]

Theophilus.Autolycus.II.html This Eve, on account of her having been in the beginning deceived by the serpent, and become the author of sin, the wicked demon, who also is called Satan, who then spoke to her through the serpent, and who works even to this day in those men that are possessed by him, invokes as Eve.58 And he is called "demon" and "dragon," on account of his revolting from God. For at first he was an angel. And concerning his history there is a great deal to be said; wherefore I at present omit the relation of it, for I have also given an account of him in another place.

The word "abomination" is also key to understanding the context. In Hebrew, the word "to 'evah," (abomination) is almost invariably linked to idolatry. In the passages from which both verses are taken, God tells Moses to tell the people not to follow the idolatrous practices of the people around them, people who sacrificed their children to Molech, or who masturbated into the fire to offer their semen to Molech, for example. Chapter 20 starts off with the same warning.

"To 'evah" also means "something which is ritually unclean," not something evil in itself, like rape or theft. Eating pork or having sex during menstruation are ritually unclean.


Deut. 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deut. 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
hărĭŏlus  soothsayer, prophet, prophetess
somnĭo , to dream; to dream of or see in a dream, to dream, i. e. to think idly or vainly, to talk foolishly:
psaltrĭa , ae, f., = psaltria, . a female player on the cithara, a lutist, “ineptias,” Col. 1, 8, 2: “ah stulte! tu de Psaltriā me somnias Agere,” Ter. Ad. 4, 7, 6; Plaut. Pers. 2, 3, 5.—Absol.: “vigilans somniat
“portenta non disserentium philosophorum sed somniantium,” Cic. N. D. 1, 8, 18.
Deut. 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer
SPIRITUM PHOEBUS mihi, Phoebus artem Carminis dedit, poetic spirit or inspiration, Hor. C. 4, 6, 29;

Hor. C. 4, 6, 29;      Latin
Sweet tuner of the Grecian lyre,
Whose locks are laved in Xanthus' dews,
Blooming Agyieus! help, inspire
My Daunian Muse! [Rev 18 Muses: Apollyon's Worshp Team]

'Tis Phoebus, Phoebus GIFTS MY TONGUE
With minstrel art and minstrel fires:
Come, noble youths and maidens sprung
From noble sires,

Phoēbē     The moongoddess, sister of Phœbus, i. e. Diana, Luna, or the moon [Lectio-Divina]
Phoebus   a poetical appellation of Apollon as the god of light: Phœbean, Apollinean: “carmina,” Lucr. 2, 504: “lampas,” the sun, Verg. A. 4, 6: [Zoe-Eve in Latin Literature] “virgo,” Ov. P. 2, 2, 82: “laurus,” id. Tr. 4, 2, 51: “Rhodos,” where the worship of Apollo
C.  Phoebas , ădis, f., a priestess of Apollo; hence the inspired one, the prophetess,
Lucr. 2, 504
The odour of myrrh and savours of honey despised;
The swan's old lyric, and Apollon's hymns,
Once modulated on the many chords,
Would likewise sink o'ermastered and be mute:
Inflo to play upon a wind instrument: “inflare cavas cicutas,
to blow: “simul inflavit tibicen, a perito carmen agnoscitur,”
to puff up
Men and women are forbidden to SPEAK in the assembly in the sense of their own songs or sermons. That word includes PLAYING ON A MUSICAL instrument.  The Holy Spirit in Isaiah 3 warns of women and boys or the sexually compromised RULING OVER YOU.
THE BEGINNING OF THE PUBLIC ATTACK

Don.Finto.Latter.Day.Apostles.and.Prophets.html

Editorial from Firm Foundation

        "What you are about to read is dreadful. It sounds a warning. Please stay with me as this preposterous story unfolds.

Nine years ago [1988] in Nashville, at the Belmont Church 1, a man named Don Finto returned from a sabbatical with the startling claim that out in the desert God appointed him to be an apostle with worldwide authority.2 Finto dismissed the elders of the congregation and made himself the sole ruler of that body.

A tape recording was made of that strange service. Max Lucado was in the auditorium. The tape was transcribed and you are about to read some of the cockeyed things recorded on the tape.

Don Finto said: "I'm just going to say to you again, It's hot. Our air conditioner is broken." He said the service would nevertheless continue and the people must not complain. Finto blamed the air conditioner problem on the devil, saying, "This is an attack of Satan, however he came."

Then Don Finto said: "Max (Lucado), I don't want to embarrass you, but I was just thinking ... as we were talking a moment ago ... I am so grateful for your books ... for your writings. I've read before these people a lot of things you've written.

God is in you, brother, and his writings are. This is the brother who wrote ... (long pause ... tell me the names of them), God Came Near, ... uh ... On the Anvil, No Wonder They Call Him Savior.

Those book titles may not mean a lot to you, but you've heard some of 'em cause I've read you some of it. And the Lord's working in him and Denalin and in their family. Their ... uh ... I went to school with Denalin's mom, Romadean. And ... uh ... uh ... just have been delighted.

They were missionaries in Brazil for awhile. And now they are back in this country in the San Antonio area, but I'm just grateful for them.

"RUSTY"

"Rusty, go ahead and bring that word (speaking in tongues). And let's just hear- wherever you are. Just bring that word. That you perceive the Lord to be saaa-bringing. And let's just ... winna ... winna a word comes like this, we judge it, and so let's just hear what this is. I think Rusty had no idea what I was about to say, and let's just hear from him ... and ... and ... and try to open our hearts to the Lord."

CORRECTION: Re: Tongues February 18 2004, 12:10 PM

Ken and Donnie, this morning I have exchanged emails with Buster Dobbs. I will quote from his email and will forward the email to anyone who wishes to see his orginal writing. I am quoting only the portion of the email which is relevant to this discussion, and not including a couple of paragraphs about personal family contacts.

"The article you mention was an editorial and much of it was transcribed from a tape of the service. I (sic) two tapes from which the transcript in the Firm Foundation (1997) was taken. The Rusty referred to in the tape was not Max Lucado, but is not further identified (J.E. Choate thinks he was from a group called "The Kansas City Prophets). The tapes record services at the Belmont Church in Nashville (June 26, 1988), and the article makes reference to a dinner on April 22, 1997. As best I can remember, Lucado said nothing that was recorded, but was present - a silent witness. I do have the tapes, but need to get them copied for you. Since I cannot send the tapes email, you will need to give me your mailing address."

H.A. "Buster" Dobbs"

Again, if anyone would like for me to forward the original email, simply click on my name and leave your email address and request me to send it to you. I will be happy to forward the complete email to you.

E-mail of Tom Brite

Jubilee 1997 was when the team taught that baptism was not necessary. I am sorry that the Kansas City Prophets were involved. Kenneth Sublett

Comments from Donnie Cruz

"One paragraph of the article states: "The tape ends with some meaningless and worthless 'prophecies' by Rusty.

"Strangely, Rusty Stark (in 2004) has posted a few articles on this thread, one of which is titled, "well presented Chai" dated February 12 2004, 6:55 PM. It included this paragraph:

Let's take the Assembly of God and the church of Christ as our primary examples of two groups on opposite ends of the spectrum in doctrinal beliefs. What if God says to the AG at judgement, "there was really not a prayer language like you thought...you know the speaking in tongues thing." To the cofC He says, "why would you not take the counsel and comfort from My Holy Spirit and believe that He really lives in the believer? You could have received so much more than you would accept. My Word would have given you so much more insight and tolerance for My family." To both He would say, "My grace is sufficient for both of you."

"We need to ask Rusty Stark if he can help us clarify this issue regarding this "Rusty" guy in the Don Finto tape.

        "Rusty said, "Uh, if you could first pray for me, because ... ah ... you know ... the tongue is his, not mine. And, uh, and when the spirit of prophecy comes upon me I have to step back and let the Holy Spirit worketh [sic] in me.

So if you could just extend your faith towards me and just ask God for his perfect word to rise up in me (voice, We do).

And to come out of me today for the (voice, Yeah) with the strength and the boldness and without the quivers going on ... (this first time I've done something like this). Ah ... but I've done it for many, many years in private, so, ah, d'you all wanta hear a word from the Lord today? (voice, Yeah). Ya need a word from the Lord today? (voice, Yeah).

That's what he's been telling me, too. So, if, uh, first of all he told me, Now, Frank, for the Lord -to receive your word-we have to be comfortable. I said, Would you make the temperature go down about five degrees in the auditorium (voice, Thank God ... just came on). Just came on? (voice, Yeah). See what I'm saying ... So the Lord's conformation.

The Lord also says ... that, uh, that, uh, he is good about some things like that, 'but I've been holding the heat for a reason.'

"Could you just close your eyes just for a second and help me out. O-uh-God-those who have spiritual tongues go ahead and speak forth in them. Let's worship the Lord. Go to his throne because his perfect word comes down from his throne.

It flows over the edge of the rivers of living water. Flows down ... down into our lives and into our spirits.

Many times we have to ascend into heaven to receive the very word of the Lord. And it's hard for us to open up with our eyes around us, and see the things going on around us, to receive the word of the Lord. Let's just worship. Confess out loud. Let's just pray in the spirit right now."

Kalla ma sone, da fa kooka shores. It kin da la key la shone da la kene (his voice becomes hoarse and is reduced to an indistinguishable whisper). Bear fose sone ta wentta lone (voice trails off into a whisper again). Da lotta tongue de cush--a--wong do so coo toe. Ah shon da ba she dees ... O. Lord, your good ... Gash a la mon sewer. El ah ma she sa (more whispering). Fa kon a la ma dorman begetta see de so lawsuit...3

"O, Lord, O. Lord ... Lord ... come ... into ... and reside, right now. You withhold nothing. You tell us that you withhold nothing. Freely receive this morning. We freely receive. We need your word, Father. We are as dry and thirsty as the land around us (voice, Right).

We need to feel your hand upon us. We need to feel the finger that you carved the ten commandments out of in stone -burning down inside of us. Ahhh ... following your comforting word ... we needa a gentle word ...

We need the word we can crawl up into your lap and say, 'Ah it is good. It's good to be with you. It's good to be with ye. It's good to be with ye.' (Long pause.)

Thank you, Father. Thank ya fer turnip' the air conditioner on. Thank ya for answerin' our prayers and cooling down. Now, we can readily receive your word, Father. Father forgive us of any murmuring (Voice, that's right), and grumblin', which you hate (voice, Amen).

Kept the Israelites in the wilderness forty years 'cause they did that. And we will not murmur this morning. We will not grumble at the things ... things ... that are happening around us. The heat (voice, That's right).

The repositioning of men. Father, it is your will. It is your hand. We said yes. And your doing it. Gotta see it from your perspective-not ours. And so the Lord says, I am doing a good thing. The Lord said, I've had my hand upon this church for many, many years. O. many, many years.

I've brought thee through suffering. I've brought thee through persecution. I've brought thee through changes. I've brought thee through reorganization. I've brought thee through the very depths of hell many times. But I was faithful. And I was there. And many times in your room-in your prayer closets-in cars and buildings-you said, 'Where is the hand of the Lord? Where is he?' The Lord said, 'I was faithful.

In order for you to receive more, I have to test you to see how much you love me and how much you will be obedient to me. You will not escape that because I have taught my own to do that. It is training from me. I send the rains and I tell the rains to stop. I told the rains to stop. In purification, I raised the heat.'"

The tape ends with some meaningless and worthless "prophecies" by Rusty."

Don.Finto.Latter.Day.Apostles.and.Prophets.html
Finto's views are those of the "Missional Church" and the "Kairos Church Planters."

J.E.CHOATE: The giddy and the gullible bought into it. The Belmont church became Finto's church and ceased to be known as a Church of Christ. He gathered leftover hippies, street people, the cynical, the cranky, the kooky, the amused, the wrong--headed, and the unseeing.

The building was once again full-full of people, full of frivolity, full of nonsense. It rocked along, but most thought it was too irregular to be taken seriously.

Now, fast--forward to April 22, 1997. The scene: A Nashville Hotel banquet room. The purpose: To get Nashville ready of the 1997 Jubilee.

The chairman of the meeting:

Rubel Shelly, preacher for the Woodmont Hills Church in Nashville.
The speaker: Max Lucado, preacher for the Oak Hills Church in San Antonio.
An honored guest: Don Finto, preacher for the Belmont Church in Nashville.

We would have thought Don Finto far too aberrant to be taken seriously by Lucado and Shelly, but both these men endorsed Finto that day. (This program was recorded and the words of approval and praise for the apostate Don Finto preserved.)

Rubel Shelly, who has a doctorate from Vanderbilt, asked Don Finto to bless the food-not that Finto would ask God to bless the food, but that Finto would bless it (Shelly made this statement three times).

The speaker of the hour, Max Lucado, in his introduction, said,

"Don Finto is my hero." So, there you have Shelly, Lucado, and Finto-birds of a feather flocking together. These men-Shelly and Lucado-are either as much of a goose as Finto, or they are laughing in their sleeves. I cannot tell which. In either case, it is inexcusable.

Sleeping giant! Awake! Arise!

1 The Belmont Church of Christ is one of the oldest in Nashville. According to a book written by Paul D. Phillips, former Professor at David Lipscomb University, the Belmont Church is no longer to be considered a church of Christ. He wrote: "The major battles with Church of Christ traditionalism all ended in victory for the Charismatic crusaders led by the Spirit--energized Don Finto. Many, but not all, of the old traditions went to the scrap heap. The preeminence of the church gave way to the preeminence of Jesus Christ." Phillips speaks of how "[T]he rebels at Belmont trampled on one sacred tradition after another.

In violation of the apostolic injunction to be quiet (sic), sisters frequently shared their testimonies in the public assemblies and even prayed audibly. Communion was served ... at special events on week days ...

[A] profession of internal conflicts emerged over matters of doctrine, faith, and tradition. The name of the church, hand clapping at the assemblies, the role of women, spiritual gifts, and instrumental music were among the most divisive."

Phillips speaks of how "The issue of spiritual gifts, especially speaking in tongues, would further split the Belmont Church."

He tells of how Amy Grant sang one Sunday evening with the accompaniment of her guitar," and of how this caused "the elders by majority vote" to read the statement that "anyone who felt led to share in an assembly with an instrument would not be denied on the basis of the instrument alone, but the offering of Psalm or hymn would be judged as any other statement of worship." He continues, "Perhaps, no one could foresee that within a decade choir--led congregational singing would be accompanied by a band to the beat of ear--splitting drums. The fight was over, and those opposed to instrumental music in the worship (including two of the elders) felt compelled to leave for conscience sake." Phillips says that the Belmont Church could no longer be identified as a Church of Christ. It should be noted that Phillips' history of the Belmont Church is written from the viewpoint of one who is sympathetic with the innovations and supportive of the departures. He continues to be a member of Belmont and gives full endorsement to Don Finto. Return to article.

2 In announcing his claim to be an apostle of Jesus, Finto said,

"We began to realize that there were many apostles in the New Testament other than the twelve. Silas, Timothy, Andronicus, Junias, and others were called apostles."

Barnabas is called an apostle in Acts 14:14, but he was not one of the twelve.

He was, apparently, an apostle of the church at Antioch in Syria. The word "apostle" means "one sent." Barnabas was sent out by Antioch, but not called and appointed as an apostle of Jesus. Finto would be hard pressed to prove that any of the others he mentions were apostles of any kind. The twelve apostles of Jesus were chosen before the resurrection of Jesus to receive, report, and confirm the revealed word and give witness to the fact of the resurrection (John 16:13; Mark 16:20--21; Acts 10:39--42). In selecting a replacement for Judas, Peter said, "Of the men therefore that have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us, beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection" (Acts 1:21--22). Paul was an exception and says of himself that he "was as one born out of due season." The twelve apostles were witnesses of the resurrection and Paul had to see Christ in his glory-the risen Christ-to qualify. Paul wrote, "And last of all ... he [Jesus] appeared also unto me (1 Cor. 15:8).

Jesus appeared to Paul "last of all."

Therefore he did not appear to Don Finto at all-at least not in the sense he appeared to Paul.

Finto needs to take note that the New Testament mentions "false apostles" (2 Cor. 11:13), and that Jesus commended the church at Ephesus because they could "not bear evil men, and didst try them that call themselves apostles, and they are not, and didst find them false" (Rev. 2:2).

The holy city Jerusalem (heaven) is described as having "twelve foundations, and on them twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb" (Rev. 21:14).

Sorry, but there is not room for Don Finto's name on the foundations of that great city.

The church is "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief corner stone" (Eph. 2:20).

Finto's claim to be an apostle is presumptuous, arrogant, and false.

Some say, on not too good authority, the alleged apparition in the desert claimed by Finto took place near Roswell, New Mexico, and involved creatures with huge eye sockets, pea--green in color, and with antennae protruding from their skulls.

When they spoke it sounded like, "Ga da fa ka sock ah mock ah." Finto thought God was speaking to him.

3 This was taken from the tape and spelled phonetically because the words are not a part of any known language, unless it is the language of an illiterate baby -- cooing and gurgling. The scripture says that if there is no interpreter, it is unlawful to speak in a tongue 1 Cor. 14:27--28. The jabber of Rusty was not interpreted. No reasonable person would claim the words of Rusty on that fateful day in 1988 edified anybody. How could they? Please see 1 Corinthians 14:2--20.


THE NEW HERMENEUTICS CONFESSES TO HAVING DEMONS AS MEDIATORS-INTERCESSORS

Theologians have replaced  the Bible in all of the Church of Christ universities I am aware of.  I remember when the stuff hit the fan in Seattle in the '60s.  They claim that Father, Son, Apostles and all of Scripture had expired and no one without a degree could understand what God WOULD have said if he had understood our culture. God could not have known anything about our culture. It seems that the delusions have settled on the whole country.
The spark plug was a German as the thought leader in us colleges and preacher.  Google alerted that the following link was being swarmed:
http://www.pineycom.com/Thomas.Olbricht.Hearing.Gods.Voice.html
Olbricht was not a disciple of Christ or he would understand that, as in Jude and the music-replacing the once delivered word: the Law of liberty from Hermes characters.
God's SPIRIT means that God put His WORD into the MOUTH (face-to-face, mouth-to-mouth) to Moses, Elijah (the prophets) and in these Last Days, the MAN Jesus of Nazareth.  This is the New Covenant or the Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ. God provided Apostles and SCRIBES to leave us OUR copy. The will is to the HEIRS and the only MINISTER is to READ that was written for OUR Learning.  God provided no money for anyone who does to DELIVER the Once For All Faith.
Is. 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord;
        My SPIRIT that is upon thee,
        and my WORDS which I have put in thy MOUTH,
        shall not depart out of thy MOUTH,
        nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed,
        nor out of the MOUTH of thy seed’s seed,
        saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever

This will is to individual HEIRS and liberates them from Scribes, Pharisees Hypocrites. These are defined in the PROPHECY which defined the future REST of Jesus as Ekklesia-Synagogue from anything the new confessed (unconsciously) that they hear only DEVILS or DEMONS.
Plat. Sym. 202e “‘Well what?’
“‘As I previously suggested, between a mortal and an immortal.’
“‘And what is that, Diotima?’
“‘A great spirit, Socrates: for the whole of the spiritual1 is BETWEEN DIVINE AND MORTAL.’
       “‘Possessing what power?’ I asked.
        “‘Interpreting and transporting
        human things to the gods and divine things to men;
        entreaties and sacrifices from below,
        and ordinances and requitals from above:
        being midway between, it makes each to supplement the other,
        so that the whole is combined in one.
        Through it are conveyed all divination
        and priestcraft concerning sacrifice and ritual

1 Daimones and to daimonion represent the mysterious agencies and influences by which the gods communicate with mortals.
202e Notes:
 Hermēneuon ktl. For the term hermēneuein to describe the mediating office of daimones, cp. Epin. 985 B hermēneuesthai (daimonas) pros allēlous te kai tous...theous pantas te kai panta. Hommel bids us take hermēneuon with anthr. ta para theōn (as “eiusdem atque Hermēs radicis”) and diaporthmeuon with theois ta par' anthrōpōn (the office of the porthmeus, Charon, being “animas e terra ad sedes deorum transvehere”).

THE WORD IN SCRIPTURE INCLUDES ONLY TRANSLATING.. v. diaporthmeuō, “to translate from one tongue into another, to interpret”).
diaporthm-euō , A.carry over or across a river or strait, Hdt.4.141, Acus.29J., etc.; carry a message from one to another, Hdt.9.4:— Pass., to be ferried across, BGU1188.10 (i B.C.).

Plat. Epin. 984e  next below these, the divine spirits,1 and air-born race, holding the third and middle situation, cause of interpretation, which we must surely honor with prayers for the sake of an auspicious journey across.2 We must say of either of these two creatures—that which is of ether and, next to it, of air—that it is not entirely plain to sight: when it is near by, it is not made manifest to us;

1 The daemons or divine spirits had their existence and activity “betwixt mortal and immortal,”and they served as interpreters and conveyors of men's prayers and offerings to the gods, and of the god's behests and requitals to men（Plato, Sympos. 202 D）. Good mortals might become daemons after death（Eurip.Alc. 1003; Plato, Cratyl. 398 B; Lucian, De morte Peregr. 36）, and such as they were charged with the guidance and care of mankind（Plato, Laws 713 D; Plutarch, De genio Socr. 588 C）.

2 The“journey across”seems to refer to one part of the“conveying”that daemons performed—conducting the souls of deceased human beings from earth to the abode of the gods.

Plat. Epin. 985a] but partaking of extraordinary intelligence, as belonging to an order which is quick to learn and strong in memory, we may say that they understand the whole of our thoughts, and show extraordinary kindness to anyone of us who is a good man and true, and hate him who is utterly evil, as one who already partakes of suffering. For we know that God, who has the privilege of the divine portion, is remote from these affections of pain and pleasure, but has a share of intelligence and knowledge in every sphere; and the heaven being filled full of live creatures,

Plat. Epin. 985b. 
  [985b] they interpret all men and all things both to one another and to the most exalted gods, because the middle creatures move both to earth and to the whole of heaven with a lightly rushing motion. The kind which is of water,1 the fifth, we shall be right in representing as a semi-divine product of that element, and it is at one time seen, but at another is concealed through becoming obscure, presenting a marvel in the dimness of vision. So these
1 The nymphs.

--Hermeneutics

The same as EXEGESIS, a term technically used of the interpretation of a text from the study of critical materials such as manuscripts, editions, and quotations. The word is from the Greek hermêneuô, "to interpret." See Textual Criticism.

--hermaêneuô [hermêneus]

A. interpret foreign tongues, X.An.5.4.4; translate, D.H.Th.49, etc.;
 II. explain, expound, S.OC398, E.Fr.636.5, etc.; “humin tauta” Antipho 3.2.1; “ho ti legei” Philyll.11; “ta tōn poiētōn” Pl.Ion535a:—Med., Id.Epin.985b:—
 2. put into words, express, Th.2.60, Pl. Lg.966b

Hermês Hermes, the Lat. Mercurius, son of Maia and Zeus; messenger of the gods (diaktoros); giver of good luck (eriounios, akakêta ); god of all secret dealings, cunning, and stratagem (dolios); bearing a golden rod (chrusorrapis ); conductor of defunct spirits (psuchopompos, pompaios ); tutelary god of all arts, of traffic, markets, roads (agoraios, empolaios, hodios, enodios ), and of heralds. His bust, mounted on a four-cornered pillar, was used to mark boundaries. --Proverb., koinos Hermês shares in your luck! Theophr.: cf. hermaion.

Again, as Hermes was the sacrificial herald of the gods, it was an important part of the duty of heralds to assist at sacrifices. It was on this account that the priestly race of the Kērukes claimed him as the head of their family

stratagem (dolios )

dolios adj1 ad crafty, deceitful, treacherous, Od., Trag.

psuchopompos 1 conductor of souls, of Charon, Eur.
 E.Alc.361; of Hermes, D.S.1.96, Plu.2.758b.

II. as Adj., “ps. dunameis” Porph.Antr.8.

As he was the guide of the living on their way, so he was also the conductor of the souls of the dead in the nether-world (psukhopompos), and was as much loved by the gods of those regions as by those above. n, 

 


I need to work on this paper to make the new hermenetic=demonism a bit clearer. IN Corinth---

Cor. 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

The tongues in Corinth were not gibberish but minor dialects.

Interpret is: 1328. διερμηνευτής diermeneutes, dee-er-main-yoo-tace´; from 1329; an explainer: — interpreter.

g1329. διερμηνεύω diermeneuo, dee-er-main-yoo´-o; from 1223 and 2059; to explain thoroughly, by implication, to translate: — expound, interpret(-ation).

g2059. ἑρμηνεύω hermeneuo, her-mayn-yoo´-o; from a presumed derivative of 2060 (as the god of language); to translate: — interpret.

g2060. Ἑρμῆς Hermes, her-mace´; perhaps from 2046; Hermes, the name of the messenger of the Greek deities; also of a Christian: — Hermes, Mercury.

g2046. ἐρέω ereo, er-eh´-o; probably a fuller form of 4483; an alternate for 2036 in certain tenses; to utter, i.e. speak or say: — call, say, speak (of), tell.

2036. ἔπω epo, ep´-o; a primary verb (used only in the definite past tense, the others being borrowed from 2046, 4483, and 5346); to speak or say (by word or writing): — answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell. Compare 3004.

2036. ἔπω epo, ep´-o; a primary verb (used only in the definite past tense, the others being borrowed from 2046, 4483, and 5346); to speak or say (by word or writing): — answer, bid, bring word, call, command, grant, say (on), speak, tell. Compare 3004.

5346. φημί phemi, fay-mee´; properly, the same as the base of 5457 and 5316; to show or make known one’s thoughts, i.e. speak or say: — affirm, say. Compare 3004.
Every theologian or preacher able to gain popularity claims that Jesus was a plagiarist when He defined Holy Scripture as the Prophets and other prophecies "concerning me.""

2Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
        whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
        as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
        until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pet. 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture
        is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION
1955. ἐπίλυσις epilusis, ep-il´-oo-sis; from 1956; explanation, i.e. application: — interpretation.
1956. ἐπιλύω epiluo, ep-ee-loo´-o; from 1909 and 3089; to solve further, i.e. (figuratively) to explain, decide: — determine, expound.
Holy Scripture denies these people any FUNDING and yet they claim to be Christians. In fact they BLASPHEME the Holy Spirit

2Pet. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Homers Hymn to Hermes

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Putting Hermes back in Hermeneutics: These people think that everything God ever inspired had to be INTERPRETED which means to figure out what the cleat text REALLY meant.  However, not one of the knows that Hermeneutics means that HERMES is the interpreter for the "gods" which means that DEMONS are the interpreter.

The anthropologist Vincent Crapanzano describes Hermes as the “tutelary god of speech and writing,” one who introduces techniques of interpretation to the people. Historically, such interpretive power has been associated with the phallus, with features that oddly resemble the logos spermatikos. A phallic god of fertility, Hermes has been linked to interpretation as a “phallic-aggressive, a cruel and violent, a destruc- tive act” even as it appears a “fertilizing, a fruitful and creative one.” Hermes’s messages can be disruptive, as they “toppled the worlds of many to whom they were delivered”; meanwhile the messenger god can function “as a gadfly who constantly irritates the intellectually complacent by reminding them of the possibility of other ways of articulating and understanding the world and themselves.”5 We see here one articulation of the destructive and generative potential of words. The Greek god’s story is wrapped up with the contested discourses of space and meaning always suspect. Hermes matches many characteristics of a trickster figure, and we will consider here how these charac- teristics recapture hermeneutics as the work and art—the poesis—of the trickster.

The Greek god Hermes relays messages between gods and humans. He is a messenger, a guide of souls, and a trickster figure, associated with merchants and tradespersons who frequent the crossroads he is


FULFILLED PATTERN IS MOST GROUPS WHO ARE FAMOUS OR RICH.

Mark.10.They.Shall.Mock.Him.With.Music

What all artists who addressed Scripture understood.

Trumpet, drums, flute, cymbals and castinets with buffoons
Psallo permits ONLY smiting a string with your FINGERS: not a plectrum
Psallo and SOP have the same root meaning.

Mock.Jesus.Half.size.jpg

Revelation 18F: they are all called Sorcerers who HAD once deceived the whole world.
They WILL BE CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE

THE ABOMINATION STANDING IN ALL OF YOUR DEFINED "HOLY PLACES."

Deut. 18:1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi,
        shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel:
        they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.
Deut. 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not le arn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deut. 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
hărĭŏlus  soothsayer, prophet, prophetess Pl. Am. 5.2
Pl. Am. 5.2 Be of good cheer, Amphitryon; I am come to thy aid: thou hast nothing to fear; all diviners and soothsayers let alone hărĭŏlus   a soothsayer, prophet, prophetess (= augur,
somnĭo , to dream; to dream of or see in a dream, to dream, i. e. to think idly or vainly, to talk foolishly:
psaltrĭa , ae, f., = psaltria, . a female player on the cithara, a lutist, “ineptias,” Col. 1, 8, 2: “ah stulte! tu de Psaltriā me somnias Agere,” Ter. Ad. 4, 7, 6; Plaut. Pers. 2, 3, 5.—Absol.: “vigilans somniat
“portenta non disserentium philosophorum sed somniantium,” Cic. N. D. 1, 8, 18.

Deut. 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer
A Charmer is an Abomination
incantātor , ōris, m. incanto, I. an enchanter, wizard (post-class.), Tert. Idol. 9; Isid. 8, 9, 15; Mos. et Rom. Leg. Coll. 15, 1, 2.

consŭlo (a). In the lang. of religion, to consult a deity, an oracle, omens, etc.: “Apollinem de re,” Cic. Leg. 2, 16, 40: “deum consuluit auguriis, quae suscipienda essent,” Liv. 1, 20, 7: “deos hominum fibris,” Tac. A. 14, 30 fin.: “Phoebi oracula,” Ov. M. 3, 9; Suet. Vesp. 5: “Tiresiam conjectorem,” Plaut. Am. 5, 1, 76:

Cantus A. Prophetic or oracular song: “veridicos Parcae coeperunt edere cantus,” Cat. 63 cf. Tib.
B. An incantation, [Sorcerers or witches sanding in your holy places]  charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum.
“cantus e curru Lunam deducere tentat,”
2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,” Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,”

DEMONS AND THE NEW HERMENEUTIC

Plat. Sym. 202e “‘Well what?’
“‘As I previously suggested, between a mortal and an immortal.’
“‘And what is that, Diotima?’
“‘A great spirit, Socrates: for the whole of the spiritual1 is between divine and mortal.’
“‘Possessing what power?’ I asked.
“‘Interpreting and transporting
        human things to the gods and divine things to men;
        entreaties and sacrifices from below,
        and ordinances and requitals from above:
        being midway between, it makes each to supplement the other,
         so that the whole is combined in one.
        Through it are conveyed all divination
        and priestcraft concerning sacrifice and ritual

1 Daimones and to daimonion represent the mysterious agencies and influences by which the gods communicate with mortals.

1Cor. 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1328. διερμηνευτής diermeneutes, dee-er-main-yoo-tace´; from 1329; an explainer: — interpreter.

1329. διερμηνεύω diermeneuo, dee-er-main-yoo´-o; from 1223 and 2059; to explain thoroughly, by implication, to translate: — expound, interpret(-ation).
2059. ἑρμηνεύω hermeneuo, her-mayn-yoo´-o; from a presumed derivative of 2060 (as the god of language); to translate: — interpret
2060. Ἑρμῆς Hermes, her-mace´; perhaps from 2046; Hermes, the name of the messenger of the Greek deities; also of a Christian: — Hermes, Mercury.
202e Notes
Hermēneuon ktl. For the term hermēneuein to describe the MEDIATING office of daimones, cp. Epin. 985 B hermēneuesthai (daimonas) pros allēlous te kai tous...theous pantas te kai panta. Hommel bids us take hermēneuon with anthr. ta para theōn (as “eiusdem atque Hermēs radicis”) and diaporthmeuon with theois ta par' anthrōpōn (the office of the porthmeus,

daimonaō , A.to be under the power of a daimōn, to suffer by a divine visitation, “daimona domos kakois” A.Ch.566; “daimonōntes en ata” Id.Th. 1008 (lyr.): abs., to be possessed, to be mad, E.Ph.888, X.Mem.1.1.9, Plu.Marc.20, etc.; “daimonas” Men.140.

Plat. Epin. 984e  next below these, the divine spirits,1 and air-born race, holding the third and middle situation, cause of interpretation, which we must surely honor with prayers for the sake of an auspicious journey across.2 We must say of either of these two creatures—that which is of ether and, next to it, of air—that it is not entirely plain to sight: when it is near by, it is not made manifest to us;
1Cor. 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air
Timothy silences both male and female so that THE TRUTH can be READ or SPOKEN
1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved,
        and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
        [Truth is the WORD, Logos, Regulative Principle outlawing Rhetoric, Music or Scenic acts]

Because, dear Trinitarians who are not permitted to read---

1Tim. 2:5 For there is ONE GOD
        and one MEDIATOR between God and men,
        the MAN Christ Jesus;
1Tim. 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all,
        to be TESTIFIED in due time.

THE NEW COVENANT IS THE LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST.  Only profane people want to divert you away from that will which is HOLY SCRIPTURE. Don't let anyone deprive you of your INHERITANCE AND LIBERTY.

Jeremiah 23 By the Spirit of God defining the CENI: commands, examples and necessary which the Theologians mock because they are not permitted to read Holy Scripture

Jer. 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.
        Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Jer. 23:25 I have heard what the prophets said,
        that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.
Jer. 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies?
        yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer. 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name
        by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour,
        as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.
Jer. 23:29 Is not my WORD like as a fire? saith the LORD;
        and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Max had a vision to remove CHRIST from the name of his church.

1 The daemons or divine spirits had their existence and activity “betwixt mortal and immortal,”and they served as interpreters and conveyors of men's prayers and offerings to the gods, and of the god's behests and requitals to men（Plato, Sympos. 202 D）. Good mortals might become daemons after death（Eurip.Alc. 1003; Plato, Cratyl. 398 B; Lucian, De morte Peregr. 36）, and such as they were charged with the guidance and care of mankind（Plato, Laws 713 D; Plutarch, De genio Socr. 588 C）.

2 The“journey across ”seems to refer to one part of the “conveying” that daemons performed—conducting the souls of deceased human beings from earth to the abode of the gods.

Plat. Epin. 985a] but partaking of extraordinary intelligence, as belonging to an order which is quick to learn and strong in memory,
        we may say that they understand the whole of our thoughts,
        and show extraordinary kindness to anyone of us who is a good man and true,
        and hate him who is utterly evil, as one who already partakes of sufferin  and pleasure,
        but has a share of intelligence and knowledge in every sphere; and the heaven being filled full of live creatures,

Plat. Epin. 985b
[985b] they interpret all men and all things both to one another and to the most exalted gods,
        because the middle creatures move both to earth and to the whole of heaven with a lightly rushing motion.
        The kind which is of water. we shall be right in representing as a semi-divine product of that element,
        and it is at one time seen, but at another is concealed through becoming obscure,
         presenting a marvel in the dimness of vision.

SPEAKING OF AMOS:

"In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51).



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Catul. 64 With such soothsaying songs of yore did the Parcae chant from divine breast the felicitous fate of Peleus. For previously the heaven-dwellers used to visit the chaste homes of heroes and to show themselves in mortal assembly when their worship had not yet been scorned. Often the father of the gods, resting in his glorious temple,

Thus in the bygone day Peleus' fate foretelling
Chaunted from breasts divine prophetic verse the Parcae.
For that the pure chaste homes of heroes to visit in person
Oft-tide the Gods, and themselves to display where mortals were gathered,
Wont were the Heavenlies while none human piety spurned.
Often the Deities' Sire, in fulgent temple a-dwelling,
Whenas in festal days received he his annual worship,
Looked upon hundreds of bulls felled prone on pavement before him.
carmina divino

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